All that we have is the scripture. Your personal opinion is worthless.
Jesus said... "Beware of Men"
- Thread starter Robert Pate
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All that we have is the scripture. Your personal opinion is worthless.
Nanja
Well-known member
I gave you chapter, and verse, demon, and you assert that the verses I quoted:
Romans 3:20 KJV Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Galatians 3 KJV
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
....no longer apply, as you assert, on record, that the law no longer leads others to Christ, as the school master, since it no longer exists, and that others cannot know what sin is, since the law no longer exists.
The Ten Commandments, part of the law of Moses, which you say is abolished, are for the specific purpose of defining sin. This law, which defines sin, is described by Paul as being as "holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good"(Romans 7:12 KJV).
You say the law is abolished, and thus assert that everyone is saved, demon, as if there is no law, there is no transgression, and sin is not imputed, where there is no law.
You are on record-that is your satanic opinion, while I gave you chapter, and verse, in which to soak that "puffed up as a bullfrog in heat" head of yours. Of course, you are always right, aren't you, Pate?
One more time:
If the law was blotted out/did away, everyone would be saved:
1 John 3:4 KJV Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
So, one of the definitions of sin is " the transgression of the law."
With me?
Now:
Romans 4:15 KJV because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Romans 5:13 KJV (for until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Thus, since sin is the transgression of the law, and, if it is true that there is no more "God's holy law," then, where there is no law, there is no transgression, whereby anyone can be accused, and sin cannot be imputed, if there is no law. Secular wise, for eg., if there is no law against speeding/going over a certain speed, no one can be charged with speeding/breaking a law-there is no law against speeding-no transgression.
You need to shuck this "the law was abolished/did away" assertion, and certainly not employ Colossians 2:14 KJV, or the Ephesians passage,in making your "argument," as "the handwriting of ordinances"/"the law of commandments" is not a reference to "God's holy law," the law of Moses, the 10 commandments.
Pate: Murder anyone!!! Steal!! Covet!!!!! The law was abolished, and no one can be condemned-there is no law!!!!!
Ssssssssssssssss..........
"To be under the law is to be under judgment."-Pate
Tell us, Pate: If there is no longer any law against(fill in the blank), how can one be judged?
You can't be this stupid.
The Ten Commandments, part of the law of Moses, which you say is abolished, are for the specific purpose of defining sin.
Tell us, Pate: If there is no longer any law against(fill in the blank), how can one be judged?
You can't be this stupid.
The Ten Commandments, part of the law of Moses, which you say is abolished, are for the specific purpose of defining sin.
KingdomRose
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Yes indeed. And wouldn't that eliminate just about every religion and denomination on the earth? Take all the doctrines and dogmas of any church or temple or mosque and compare them to the Bible....do they agree with the Scriptures? Take just one.....supporting the military and encouraging church members to join it, praying over the troops as they go off to war. This is so AGAINST Christ's teachings, but church members find excuses to learn to kill and then go off and fight. This would show to me just which religions were false. After you take all of the war-mongers off the table, who is left? These would be the ones to evaluate further.
"I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." (Matthew 5:44, NASB)
"If possible, as far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men." (Romans 12:18)
"So then we pursue the things which make for peace and the building up of one another." (Romans 14:19)
"By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another." (John 13:35)
KingdomRose
New member
Yes it is.
Paul explained that the Law is not needed anymore since Jesus FULFILLED the Law. His sacrifice replaced and eliminated the need for all the animal sacrifices that were necessary under the Law.
"But now he [Jesus] has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as he is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises." (Hebrews 8:6, NASB)
KingdomRose
New member
Then "fulfill" is meaningless. What else could it mean other than to make it obsolete?
"When He said, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first one OBSOLETE. Whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." (Hebrews 8:13, NASB)
While you're at it, read Hebrews 10:1-10.
KingdomRose
New member
BINGO. The Law was the "schoolmaster." Christians are no longer required to be under that schoolmaster. No one is required to be under the Law of Moses.
The Law of Moses has not been viable since 70 CE. No one can under the Law of Moses.
Jesus said the law has not been fulfilled. Why do you believe he was mistaken?
The scripture says that the law has been abolished, "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS" Ephesians 2:15. Why is it you can't believe the scripture?
Christians are no longer under the law, nor are they subject to it. We are now under grace, Romans 6:14. To be under the law is to be under condemnation.
Jesus is the end of all religions.
This is why Paul said, "THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH" Romans 1:17. Not by laws, rules or religion.
Typical misquote.
...having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances.
Paul was referring to the Book of the Law, not God's covenant that defines his people for all time.
Everything has been abolished. The Old Covenant, The law, The Jewish religion.
From now on God's people are called to... "THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH" Romans 1:17 and not by rules, laws or religion.
Both the Ephesians and Colossians passages are not referencing the law of Moses, deceitful one. Christians are not "under he law"/"subject to the law" in the sense of their respective walk; however, that is not your "argument," Pate-you say that the law was done away with/abolished, which is satanic, and thus assert, by that "argument," that:
-everyone is saved
-the lost no longer, like Paul, the Galatians.....who were led to Christ, by the law, are no longer
-no longer are the lost given the knowledge of what sin is, through the law
-Murder, covetousness, theft.....................................are OK by you, as their is no law to condemn them
Pate argues that we should delete these scriptures, as they no longer apply:
1 Timothy 1:9 KJV
knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
Galatians 3:24-25 KJV
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Romans 3:20 KJV
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 7:7 KJV
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Satanic.
I guess that I will have to tell you again.
CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW.
The reason that they are not under the law is because God sees them as perfect and complete "IN CHRIST".
For the Christian the law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15.
Paul said that the law is for sinners, 1 Timothy 1:9, 10. The law has not been abolished for the unsaved, they will be judged by it.
You need to read the opening post more carefully.
Does that include the Jewish King?
Yes, Paul was quoting from the Hebrew Bible.
If the Hebrew religion had been abolished then why did Paul preach from the Hebrew Bible?
When you are in distress and all these things come upon you in the latter days, when you turn to the LORD your God and obey His voice (for the LORD your God is a merciful God), He will not forsake you nor destroy you, nor forget the covenant of your fathers which He swore to them. (Deuteronomy 4:30-31)
The Old Covenant, the law and the Jewish religion have been abolished.
The Old Testament is just what it says that it is, Old.
The new way is through Jesus Christ and not by laws, rules or religion. It is the way of the Spirit.
So why did Paul preach from it?