Jesus said... "Beware of Men"

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Robert Pate

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At the center of every cult or religion is a man.

In the Calvinist religion it is John Calvin. In the Catholic religion it is the pope. All cults and religions have this one thing in Common. The cultist, Jim Jones, led over 1000 to their deaths. Look at all of the TV preachers that have fallen into sin and corruption. There are literally thousands of preachers that have come out of the seminaries that have no idea of what the Gospel is. This is why Jesus said, "Beware of Men".

The Bible will not lead you astray, but men will. My rule is that if it is not in the Bible and it is not according to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and justification by faith, then reject it. Since the Bible is about Jesus Christ and his Gospel, everything should be interpreted in the light of this Gospel. If it is not according to the Gospel that is the tip off that it is false doctrine.

In the Gospel Jesus full fills God's holy law and then abolishes it, Colossians 2:14, but only for Christians. Christians are not under the law, nor are they subject to it. Unbelieving sinners are still under it and will be judged by it. 1 Timothy 1:9, 10. In the Gospel Jesus atones for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2, and in doing so reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. These are simple basic Christian beliefs that are proven by scripture. If anyone teaches otherwise his teachings should be rejected.
 
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Robert Pate said:
The Bible will not lead you astray, but men will.
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Right here on TOL. Go read about how God created men to go to hell because he wants to do it, not because they deserve it. Read how you can be God like and stop coveting. Read how partaking in the Lord's Supper is the same as literally eating his flesh and drinking his blood.

Or just trust that he has done the work for you.
 
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Nick M said:
Right here on TOL. Go read about how God created men to go to hell because he wants to do it, not because they deserve it. Read how you can be God like and stop coveting. Read how partaking in the Lord's Supper is the same as literally eating his flesh and drinking his blood.

Or just trust that he has done the work for you.
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Jesus said that it would be this way.
 
john w

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Robert Pate said:
.... There are literally thousands of preachers that have come out of the seminaries that have no idea of what the Gospel is......

In the Gospel Jesus full fills God's holy law and then abolishes it, Colossians 2:14,
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And there are literally thousands of preachers, such as yourself, that, in error, assert that the LORD God did away with His "holy law and then abolishes it," citing Colossians 2:14 KJV. Colossians 2:14 KJV does not say that the LORD God did away/abolished the law-it says that "the handwriting of ordinances" was blotted out-this is not a reference to the law, that was blotted out.

If the law was blotted out/did away, everyone would be saved:

1 John 3:4 KJV Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


So, one of the definitions of sin is " the transgression of the law."

With me?


Now:

Romans 4:15 KJV because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.


Romans 5:13 KJV (for until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Thus, since sin is the transgression of the law, and, if it is true that there is no more "God's holy law," then, where there is no law, there is no transgression, whereby anyone can be accused, and sin cannot be imputed, if there is no law. Secular wise, for eg., if there is no law against speeding/going over a certain speed, no one can be charged with speeding/breaking a law-there is no law against speeding-no transgression.


Although I agree with much of what you pen on TOL, RP, biblically, you need to shuck this "the law was abolished/did away" assertion, and certainly not employ Colossians 2:14 KJV, in making your "argument," as "the handwriting of ordinances" is not a reference to "God's holy law."
 
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john w said:
Although I agree with much of what you pen on TOL, RP, biblically, you need to shuck this "the law was abolished/did away" assertion, and certainly not employ Colossians 2:14 KJV, in making your "argument," as "the handwriting of ordinances" is not a reference to "God's holy law."
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Didn't the Lord Jesus Christ fulfill the law and the prophets ?
 
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john w said:
And there are literally thousands of preachers, such as yourself, that, in error, assert that the LORD God did away with His "holy law and then abolishes it," citing Colossians 2:14 KJV. Colossians 2:14 KJV does not say that the LORD God did away/abolished the law-it says that "the handwriting of ordinances" was blotted out-this is not a reference to the law, that was blotted out.

If the law was blotted out/did away, everyone would be saved:

1 John 3:4 KJV Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


So, one of the definitions of sin is " the transgression of the law."

With me?


Now:

Romans 4:15 KJV because the law worketh wrath: for [B]where no law is, there is no transgression.[/B]

Romans 5:13 KJV (for until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Thus, since sin is the transgression of the law, and, if it is true that there is no more "God's holy law," then, where there is no law, there is no transgression, whereby anyone can be accused, and sin cannot be imputed, if there is no law. Secular wise, for eg., if there is no law against speeding/going over a certain speed, no one can be charged with speeding/breaking a law-there is no law against speeding-no transgression.


Although I agree with much of what you pen on TOL, RP, biblically, you need to shuck this "the law was abolished/did away" assertion, and certainly not employ Colossians 2:14 KJV, in making your "argument," as "the handwriting of ordinances" is not a reference to "God's holy law."
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Not only was the law abolished, so was the Old Covenant and the Jewish religion.

This is why Paul said that "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17.

"Not imputing their trespasses unto them" 2 Corinthians 5:17.
 
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The law was not abolished, nor was the OC,Pate-you made that up, and thus assert, on record, that everyone is saved.


Does the TOL audience recognize that Pate is never wrong?

"Not imputing their trespasses unto them"

So, the drone does not get, that Paul must have been drunk, for no one can commit a "trespass," if there is no law against it.

And Paul did not write, "The just shall live by faith," to assert that the law was done away.

Through the law, is the knowledge of sin, and still functions, to bring the lost to Christ-today, as it did in Egypt, as it always has:

Romans 3:20 KJV Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Galatians 3 KJV
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Read it-"that"


RPate:eek:ut with Romans 3:20 KJV, Galatians 3:24-25 KJV.



I know that's quite deep, Pate. You need to back up, and get out of this ditch, that you are in. When you are in a hole, quit digging.
 
Nanja

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Robert Pate said:
At the center of every cult or religion is a man.

In the Calvinist religion it is John Calvin. In the Catholic religion it is the pope. All cults and religions have this one thing in Common. The cultist, Jim Jones, led over 1000 to their deaths. Look at all of the TV preachers that have fallen into sin and corruption. There are literally thousands of preachers that have come out of the seminaries that have no idea of what the Gospel is. This is why Jesus said, "Beware of Men".

The Bible will not lead you astray, but men will. My rule is that if it is not in the Bible and it is not according to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and justification by faith, then reject it. Since the Bible is about Jesus Christ and his Gospel, everything should be interpreted in the light of this Gospel. If it is not according to the Gospel that is the tip off that it is false doctrine.

In the Gospel Jesus full fills God's holy law and then abolishes it, Colossians 2:14, but only for Christians. Christians are not under the law, nor are they subject to it. Unbelieving sinners are still under it and will be judged by it. 1 Timothy 1:9, 10. In the Gospel Jesus atones for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2, and in doing so reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. These are simple basic Christian beliefs that are proven by scripture. If anyone teaches otherwise his teachings should be rejected.
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Your understanding of the Word of Truth is flawed; it has been darkened because of the blindness of your heart 2 Cor. 4:3-4; Eph. 4:18.

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john w said:
And there are literally thousands of preachers, such as yourself, that, in error, assert that the LORD God did away with His "holy law and then abolishes it," citing Colossians 2:14 KJV. Colossians 2:14 KJV does not say that the LORD God did away/abolished the law-it says that "the handwriting of ordinances" was blotted out-this is not a reference to the law, that was blotted out.

If the law was blotted out/did away, everyone would be saved:

1 John 3:4 KJV Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


So, one of the definitions of sin is " the transgression of the law."

With me?


Now:

Romans 4:15 KJV because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.


Romans 5:13 KJV (for until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Thus, since sin is the transgression of the law, and, if it is true that there is no more "God's holy law," then, where there is no law, there is no transgression, ..
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Seems too many do not get this. God did not abolish the law, He, though Christ, did away with working to fulfill the law, by giving us salvation by faith in Christ. Christ being perfect for us.
 
john w

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Robert Pate said:
There is only one law, Moses law. It was abolished when Jesus died on the cross, Matthew 27:51.
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Made up.

Pate-out with these 2 scriptures:


Romans 3:20 KJV Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Galatians 3 KJV
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
 
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john w said:
Made up.

Pate-out with these 2 scriptures:


Romans 3:20 KJV Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Galatians 3 KJV
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
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The law has been abolished for Christians.

"Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in the ordinances" Ephesians 2:15.

To be under the law is to be under judgment. Wakeup John.
 
john w

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Robert Pate said:
The law has been abolished for Christians.

"Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in the ordinances" Ephesians 2:15.

To be under the law is to be under judgment. Wakeup John.
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You misinterpreted Ephesians 2:15 KJV, as you did with the Colossians passage Pate, and assert that:

-everyone is saved

-these 2 passages should be deleted-that is satanic:


Romans 3:20 KJV Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Galatians 3 KJV
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
 
john w

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Robert Pate said:
The law has been abolished for Christians.

"Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in the ordinances" Ephesians 2:15.

To be under the law is to be under judgment. Wakeup John.
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"Wakeup John."-Pate

Get saved, Pate, you windbag.

"To be under the law is to be under judgment."-Pate

No law, no judgment/transgression, Pate.

You can't be this stupid. You must be demonic-no other option.

"The law has been abolished for Christians."-Pate=Go ahead, everyone-murder, lie, ...................................................................as the law has been abolished!!!!!!!!!!!!!

=satanism.

"The law of commandments" is not referencing the law of Moses, the law against murder, stealing, adultery..................................................................................


Another demon, masquerading as a member of the boc, is exposed.
 
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