Jesus is definitely NOT God.
Saying it doesn't make it so.
God is One single being who is Supreme, the Most High, the Majesty of the Universe.
Yes, there is only one God.
But He is not a
singular Being.
The first verse in the Bible, one of the most studied/well known verses, uses the PLURAL form of the word "God", but uses the singular form of the word "created."
Moses, the one who wrote Genesis, did not make a grammatical error when he wrote it that way.
Only One can be in that position
Indeed.
Jesus is one of the three Persons in the Godhead.
cause he said so in John 14:28.
Let's see what the verse says:
You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I. - John 14:28
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John14:28&version=NKJV
Hmmm, no denial by Jesus that He is God here... Are you sure you have the right verse?
If you think on the word "God" as a nature,
The nature of God is God.
The essence of God is God.
a sustance, or whatever, even as a last name or a family name, a race, a corporation, or whatever, then you are not thinking right.
We don't.
God is God. He is three Persons.
In the Bible God is called "the God of gods" (Deut. 10:17),
Indeed.
and certainly not of false gods.
God said:
Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, - Isaiah 46:9
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah46:9&version=NKJV
There are no other gods besides God.
Any gods that people have are, by definition, false gods. They don't exist, except as a concept, figments of imagination.
Since Jesus has a God (1 Cor. 15:24,25,27),
RD answered this sufficiently above.
he is not the God of gods
Yes, He is.
... though he could be a god in form,
God said :
I am the Lord, that is My name; And My glory I will not give to another, Nor My praise to carved images. - Isaiah 42:8
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah42:8&version=NKJV
Jesus said:
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. - John 17:5
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John17:5&version=NKJV
Was God lying?
Was Jesus lying?
Or was Jesus God?
or because he is a very powerful spirit now,
Jesus was Spirit before He became a man. Now He has a human form which He will indwell for the rest of eternity.
BUT not equal or higher than the God of gods, his own God.
Your arguments are straw men.
Jesus, the Son, submits to His Father, and the Holy Spirit submits to the Son.
The three Persons are one God.
In Rev. 3:12 Jesus, already in heaven, tells John that in heavens no one worships himself in the heavenly temple, but other God, his God.
Let's see what the verse says:
He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name. - Revelation 3:12
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation3:12&version=NKJV
Hmm, nothing about worship at all in this verse. No denial by Jesus that He is also God, either.
Strike two?
You can find the same in Rev. 5:9,10, where heavenly beings are paying homage to Jesus because he bought humans for their God ... not for being their God.
Hmmm...
Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.”Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands,saying with a loud voice: “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain To receive power and riches and wisdom, And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: “Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever!”Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever. - Revelation 5:8-14
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation5:8-14&version=NKJV
The verse doesn't seem to say what you're saying...
It also aligns with what I pointed out above, how God said He will not share His glory with another, yet here Jesus is, receiving God's glory...
And in John 20:17 Jesus already resurrected sent this message to his BROTHERS: "I am ascending toward my God and your God".
Jesus said to her,
“Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ” - John 20:17
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John20:17&version=NKJV
No denial that Jesus is God here...
You're the one trying to cause drama...
Sometimes truth hurts. Be strong and accept it.
Right back 'atcha!
Are you trying to say that 1 John 5:20 proves wrong John 14:28; 20:17; 1 Cor. 15:24,25,27; Rev. 3:12; 5:9,10?
Scripture agrees with itself.
None of those passages deny that Jesus is God.
Tell me what is more feasible:
The word you're looking for is "likely."
that what you insinuate is true, or that you are simply misreading a Scripture?
We agree with Scripture, which says that Jesus is God.
Of course, the same way I believe John 1:14,18. Do you?
Are you aware that John 1:1 says, in the Greek, "the logos was with the God and God was the logos"?
The verse doesn't just say "the logos was with God."
It also says "God was the logos."
Both "With" and "was" are used.
before he became flesh, surely.
Before He became flesh, he was with and WAS God.
Weren't you talking to me about John 1:1-3? There John says twice that the Logos (Jesus) was on God's side before he came here.
It also says God was the logos.
You seem to keep forgetting that bit.
When he became flesh and came here, God stayed there.
God can be in multiple places at once, you know...
Jesus, who is God, can be in a different location than the Father, who is God, and in a different location than the Holy Spirit, who is God.
The Old Testament shows this:
Then the LORD rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the LORD out of the heavens. - Genesis 19:24
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis19:24&version=NKJV
That is why John later says under inspiration that no one has seen God and that it was his Son who made him known (John 1: 14,18).
So Moses never saw God's back?
John wasn't being woodenly literal.
He was making a point.
No one has seen God because God is invisible.
God, who is invisible, was made known by Jesus, the express image of God, because Jesus, in declaring Him, also was Him, in the flesh!
No follower of Jesus ever believed that God had come to earth;
This is simply false.
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. - 1 John 4:1-3
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John4:1-3&version=NKJV
they saw Jesus praying to God too many times and many times heard him talking about Him.
Yeah, and?
Doesn't mean that Jesus wasn't God.
How could I think that God was on earth and that they saw him, if I am reading just the opposite?
The Traditional Passages Showing Christ's Deity: Most of the primary verses with a sampling of the many others showing that, like the Father, Jesus is...
- Called God: John 1:1 with v. 14; 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Pet. 1:1; Luke 1:16-17
- From Everlasting: Ps. 90:2 with Micah 5:2
- Receiving worship: Mat. 2:11; 14:33; 28:9; John 9:38; Heb. 1:6 (etc., 10x) with Ex. 34:14; Acts 10:25-26 & Rev. 19:10
- Forgiving/Delegating Power to Forgive: Mat. 6:9, 12 with Jn. 20:23; Luke 5:20; Mark 2:5-11 & 1 Jn. 1:7-9
- Omniscient: John 10:15; 2:24-25 21:17
- Omnipresent: Ps. 139:7-10 with Mat. 18:20 & 28:20
- Omnipotent: Rev. 1:8 with 11-13, 17; 2:8; 5:11-6:1, 21:22-23; & 22:13
- Immutable: Mal. 3:6 with Hebrews 13:8
- The exact equivalent
in nature: Heb. 1:3; Phil 2:6 doesn't rob the Father to see Christ as His equal
in fullness: Col. 2:9 (in Christ "dwells all the fullness of the Godhead")
in glory: Isa. 45:25 with Gal. 6:14 and John 1:14; etc.
to whom every knee shalll bow: Isa. 45:23 with Phil. 2:10
to whom every tongue shall confess: Isa. 45:23 with Phil. 2:11 and Rom. 14:10-11
as the Almighty: Rev. 1:8 with 11-13, 17; 2:8; 5:11-6:1, 21:22-23; & 22:13
as Creator: Isa. 45:5-7, 18 with John 1:3 and Col. 1:16-17
as Savior: Isa. 45:21 and Luke 1:47 with Titus 3:6; 2:13; 2 Pet. 1:11; 1 John 4:14
as searcher of hearts: Ps. 139:23-24 with John 2:24-25 & Rev. 2:18-19, 23
as possessor of the everlasting kingdom: Dan. 7:13-14
as King of Kings: Rev. 19:16 with Dan. 2:47 and Isa. 33:22
as Lawgiver: James 4:12
as Judge: Ps. 9:7-8; 50:6 & 75:7; Isa. 33:22; 66:16; Heb. 12:23 with John 5:22; Acts 10:42; 17:31; Rom. 2:16; 2 Cor. 5:10; 2 Tim. 4:1, 8
as Jehovah: Isa. 40:3 with Mat. 3:3; and Isa. 8:13-14 with 1 Pet. 2:7-8; Mat. 21:42; Mk. 12:10. |
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