KingdomRose
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That is correct. As it stands, YOU are barking up the wrong tree.
Jehovah's Witness History - by Walter Martin
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That is correct. As it stands, YOU are barking up the wrong tree.
KingdomRose
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He's wearing a very bad hair-piece. LOL. It matches the things coming out of his mouth.
[MENTION=17845]beameup[/MENTION] ,
This is how duped and brainwashed this dude is...
KingdomRose
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Good thinking! Yes, we must call on the name of Jehovah to be saved. Paul brought this out at Romans 10:13, as did Peter at Acts 2:21. It is important to notice that Jehovah is always exalted in their writings as the Most High, Jesus' Father, and God. They never refer to Jesus as God. It is always the Father.
It is true that we must "call on the name of Jesus" as well, because Jehovah says we have to. Jesus is the means by which Jehovah saves mankind, so we'd better give Jesus credit. That doesn't mean that Jesus IS Jehovah or that he is EQUAL to Jehovah. Only a very spiritually immature person would even begin to say so.
Paul writes to the Corinthians that all of the holy ones everywhere were calling on the name of the Lord Jesus. (I Corinthians 1:2) To be sure, he is our Lord and the one called by Jehovah to be our Redeemer. You notice in the next verse who he calls "God" and notice that Paul understands the subservience of Jesus in relation to the Father (who is God) by mentioning God FIRST, as he always does.
"May you have grace and peace from God our Father AND the Lord Jesus Christ." (See I Cor.1:2,3, NASB)
"God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord." (v.9)
Kingdomrose be like: "HaHaHa... his hair piece is stupid."
The Man in the video be like: "These people are so seriously deceived and are in danger of destruction. Pray for them and do your best to help them become free from the lies of the WatchTower"
It says "Call on the name of Jehovah"
Jesus is clearly "The Name"
Romans 10:9 directly makes this clear.
You are literally brain washed by your mother church... the PAPAL WatchTower!
KingdomRose
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Go back and READ my post. If you weren't so brainwashed you would get the point.
If Christ isn't God why would he have priests?
KingdomRose
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He doesn't have priests. It is Jehovah (God) who has priests.
Malichi 1:6 “A son honors his father, and a servant his master. If then I am a father, where is my honor? And if I am a master, where is my fear? says the LORD of hosts to you, O priests, who despise my name. But you say, ‘How have we despised your name?’
And about that...
Luke 17:13 And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us.
"Master"
And also... Matthew 6:24 No one is able to serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and he will love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and he will despise the other. You are not able to serve God and mammon.
Only ONE MASTER... not TWO or THREE and Jesus is called LORD and MASTER.
But best of all... from Beameup's video...
Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered him, “It is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.’”
John 5:23 That all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
Jesus says that only GOD is to be worshiped... and He asks to be honored identically to THE FATHER "Jehovah".
Luke 4:8 and John 5:23 make Jesus a SELF CONTRADICTING teacher... according to the Watch Towers Papal Decrees!
NWL
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Do not forget that Jesus is himself a priest, Almighty God is a priest for no one, Jesus is a priest for God, thus Jesus isn't God.
(Hebrews 6:19, 20) "..We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, both sure and firm, and it enters in within the curtain, 20 where a forerunner has entered in our behalf, Jesus, who has become a high priest in the manner of Melchizʹedek forever.."
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1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light
John 8:13 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life
But... if that isn't good enough for you...
◄Revelation 5
The Scroll and the Lamb
1Then I saw in the right hand of him who was seated on the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed with seven seals. 2And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?” 3And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it, 4and I began to weep loudly because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to look into it. 5And one of the elders said to me, “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”
6And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7And he went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne. 8And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9And they sang a new song, saying,
“Worthy are you to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation,
10and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they shall reign on the earth.”
11Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, 12saying with a loud voice,
“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might
and honor and glory and blessing!”
13And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying,
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”
14And the four living creatures said, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
The Scroll and the Lamb
1Then I saw in the right hand of him who was seated on the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed with seven seals. 2And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?” 3And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it, 4and I began to weep loudly because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to look into it. 5And one of the elders said to me, “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”
6And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7And he went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne. 8And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9And they sang a new song, saying,
“Worthy are you to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation,
10and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they shall reign on the earth.”
11Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, 12saying with a loud voice,
“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might
and honor and glory and blessing!”
13And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying,
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”
14And the four living creatures said, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
They are falling before the "Throne" and in doing so... to the Lamb...
And look... Revelation 4:2
But wait...
Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, 18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.
First and last (Alpha and Omega ... and... He died and is alive...)
You say your salvation depends on getting who He is right KR... What Gives!
I say the WATCHTOWER IS A BROKEN WHOREHOUSE!
Come out of Her KR!
NWL
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The God man reasoning itself is fallacious, how for example was it possible for God to die?
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Jesus is the HIGH PRIEST you brainwashed, duped, WatchTower Papacy drone!
Isaiah 61:6 but you shall be called the priests of the LORD; they shall speak of you as the ministers of our God; you shall eat the wealth of the nations, and in their glory you shall boast
http://biblehub.com/lexicon/isaiah/61-6.htm
Priests have a high priest... take a guess... nope... because you are taken sucker by your POPE "The WatchTower".
You have CHOSEN your Master and Hate Jesus our GOD, Savior and John 5:39!
NWL
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So was it the human part of Jesus that died or his God part or was it both?