From the beginning of the 3.5 years to the end, there will be no new born again Christians made.
However the new believers of both present day Judah and the entire world will be all members of the one spiritual nation of Israel.
The only reason Judah is mentioned in Zech ch 12 is because many are there today and if any Arabs believe then they will be at peace with Christ and all of His children regardless of ther race or former religion.
It means that the only remaining people of the middle east area who will survive Christs return, will no longer be in Judaism, and will forsake it utterly.
LA
The key word for the position of the Gentiles is the word partaker.
What Paul does not say is that Gentiles have become “takers over” of the promise, as replacement theology teaches, but he does say is that they have become partakers of the promise. The word promise is singular since he is emphasizing the key spiritual promise of salvation by grace through faith in the person of the Messiah. The position of the Gentiles, then, is that of partaking of the spiritual blessings of the Jewish covenants. They do not partake of the physical blessings, but they do partake of the spiritual blessings.
The key word for the position of the Gentiles is the word partaker.
What Paul does not say is that Gentiles have become “takers over” of the promise, as replacement theology teaches, but he does say is that they have become partakers of the promise. The word promise is singular since he is emphasizing the key spiritual promise of salvation by grace through faith in the person of the Messiah. The position of the Gentiles, then, is that of partaking of the spiritual blessings of the Jewish covenants. They do not partake of the physical blessings, but they do partake of the spiritual blessings.
"I have quoted the key verses in Galatians 3 - which are Galatians 3: 3, 16 and Galatians 3: 26-29 several times in discussions with Christian Zionists. But they never deal with Galatians 3, but always turn to another scripture or argue without using specific scripture."
Not only did the defenders of Christian Zionism not deal with Galatians 3, but neither did the others here.
And - "From the beginning of the 3.5 years to the end, there will be no new born again Christians made."
Be very careful about claiming there is to be some specific time period for the Tribulation of Matthew 24: 21, 29. Being literalists, the dispensaionalits or Christian Zionists are into this kind of thing. The interest in the Tribulation should be on what is happening during this period of time, and what the role of the remnant and the multitude in the Tribulation is. The Tribulation may already be under way, or we are right near its beginning. It could go on for longer than three and a half years or seven years, and be careful about accepting the dispensationalist interpretation of Daniel 9: 24-27. In Daniel 9: 27 many dispensationalists have confused the identity of "he",who is said in the middle of the week to cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." In verse 26 the prince and the Messiah are mentioned. No one man dispensationalist anti-Christ figure is mentioned there.
The Bible mentions a period of 3.5 years, in Daniel 12 and Rev., the last half of the seventieth week of Dan ch 9.
In it, Christ will again confirm the covenant, which He did in the first half of the week leading to His sacrifice ending that of the OC kind.
Simple really.
LA
Reformers make very careful (Covenantal) distinctions between Paul's references to national Israel, and Paul teachings regarding spiritual Israel, according to election and grace.
The covenant we are under now is the new covenant signified by the Lord's supper. There will never be a return to old covenant law worship at least not by Christ. The enemies of Christ seem dead set on going back there, however.
And I heard him speaking unto me out of the house; and the man stood by me. And he said unto me, son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel forever, and MY HOLY NAME [Jesus] shall the house of Israel no more defile - Ezekiel 43:6-7a
And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon. - Ezekiel 43:18
I have quoted the key verses in Galatians 3 - which are Galatians 3: 3, 16 and Galatians 3: 26-29 several times in discussions with Christian Zionists. But they never deal with Galatians 3, but always turn to another scripture or argue without using specific scripture.
"Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?"
"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ."
"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
All are the children of God by faith in Jesus Christ, both Jews and non-Jews. If you are Christ's, then you are the seed of Abraham.
Israel of the flesh means those who have the bloodline from Abraham, but are not Christ's, and in Romans 9: 8 they are not the children of God. The New Testament never says that those of the physical bloodline cannot be saved. But it does say all who are of the elect must be born again in Christ. "Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3: 3
And to forestall AMR none of this is to be achieved without a conversion happening to the Jews
"They will look upon Him who they have pierced and mourn for Him as for a firstborn son" ALL Israel will mourn for Him for three days they will mourn, the women will mourn separated from the men and the men will mourn separated from the women...you can read it in Zechariah. Israel as nation is to be saved.
Of COURSE as a nation of individuals.
“I, Jehovah, have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thy hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;”
**Isaiah *42:6 *ASV
http://bible.com/12/isa.42.6.asv
As for God being a 3 card trickster that is not my argument but the argument of all those who say He promised Israel so many things forever and ever only to switch cards on them and give it all to somebody else.
God would never behave that way, if He promise He will deliver.
But THEY rely that God will keep eternal promises to them, He reneged [they say] on the Jews but He will not renege on them.
God's promise to the seed of Abraham are based as much on grace as the promises to the church. It was not based upon their obedience to commands any more than ours is. The commandments had not even been given.
Do you really read the Bible? Half of it says that Israel would be God's people as long as they listen to him and serve only him. If they did not, then he would reject them. He kept his end of the deal...they did not. He intended for them to be his special people forever. They rejected everything he said to them.
Not all Christians are Christians
Not all Jews are Jews
A Spiritual Jew is one inwardly, one who believes in the God of Abraham Isaac and Israel (Jacob).
A gentile believer in Christ is not a spiritual Jew he is a spiritual gentile.
Bs"d
The above text of course does not speak about that carpenter.
See here what it speaks about: https://sites.google.com/site/777mountzion/et-asher-1
"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19