ECT Is your pastor deceiving you, or is he just ignorant?

[Totton Linnet]

This is my wanna-be signature ...

"Do you not know that
to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
(slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?
... so now present your members as
slaves of righteousness for holiness." (Romans 6:16-19, NKJV)

Translation ...
Believers who are slaves of sin, who are habitual unrepentant sinners,
are facing eternal death!
They have fallen from the faith, fallen from grace, etc.
Even though they may still be intellectual believers,
they certainly are no longer to be considered "faithful" believers.

Did you not feel wicked when you added the word "eternal" to death to make it say eternal death.

You dare to change God's word? Redeemed 777

 

[Tambora]

2 Timothy 1 KJV
(9) Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

 

[Tambora]

Romans 11 KJV
(6) And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

 

[ZacharyB]

2 Timothy 1 KJV
(9) Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Yes, we were called not according to any works we had done!
Happy now?
And now what? ... Is that all there is to it?
Please don't answer that.
Too embarrassing.

 

[jamie]

Ummm, James was writing to the 12 tribes of Israel, not the Body of Christ.

Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin, are you saying Paul was not part of the body of Christ? The body of Christ is the church.

 

[Tambora]

Yes, we were called not according to any works we had done!

Saved and called.

Happy now?

Sometimes. But being happy is not the criteria for truth. now is it?

 

[Tambora]

Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin, are you saying Paul was not part of the body of Christ? The body of Christ is the church.

The 12 tribes of Israel is not the BOC.

 

[glorydaz]

Yes, we were called not according to any works we had done!
Happy now?
And now what? ... Is that all there is to it?
Please don't answer that.
Too embarrassing.

Please shut up. You're embarrassing yourself.

 

[glorydaz]

Did you not feel wicked when you added the word "eternal" to death to make it say eternal death.

You dare to change God's word? Redeemed 777

A different sheep outfit you think? I sense some animosity from an earlier day. Probably had his pointy ears pulled last time he was here. :chuckle:

 

[glorydaz]

Dearest blind one ... 'tis by both that we can be saved.
(Sorry to tell you ... salvation is a life-long process.)
As James explained fully ... 'tis by faith and works both.
'Tis all through the NT, dearest blind one.

My only question is: who is more blind, you or our very own heir?

You haven't been here long enough to include yourself in "our very own anything. Or you're too cowardly to make yourself known. :idunno:

 

[glorydaz]

Hint: Paul was writing to Christians.

Fact: Paul was writing to all those in the assembly. There were false believers there just like you're here.

 

[glorydaz]

1984 baptized into the body of Christ (by the Holy Spirit)
1993 baptized with the Holy Spirit (by Jesus Himself)
Any idea what I'm talking about?

Yep, you're pretending like you know what you're talking about. I love it when someone "documents" their own ignorance.

 

[glorydaz]

No. My mother had me tested.
Are you saved?

I love this place. :thumb:

 

[patrick jane]

It's easy to obey !!!! Just Do It !

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We (I) am no longer under the law but grace. Even so, It's not difficult to obey the Ten Commandments and Jesus' commands. So take that GT and Meshak !!! Piece 'o cake ZackreeB

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[steko]

Yep, you're pretending like you know what you're talking about. I love it when someone "documents" their own ignorance.

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[Angel4Truth]

Yes.

1)How many and what kind of sins cause one to "fall" from grace

2)Define grace

3) Do you keep your own salvation or does He keep it?

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

 

[Right Divider]

The more I study the NT the more WARNINGS I see, but all the while … most pastors are preaching GRACE!

You don't even know what the NT or the gospel of the grace of God are.

Most of the NT was written to born-again Christians in the churches, so many warnings were written to YOU (if indeed you are born-again).

The NT is for Israel. PERIOD!

However, most believers today are blind to them (for several reasons).
Dozens of verses WARN: If you choose to keep on sinning without serious confession and repentance (sincere regret and desire to change), you will fall from grace and forfeit your salvation!

What EXACTLY are these terms? Like "serious" confession?
Sounds like the typical made-up terms from someone "righteous" that does NOT understand what the Bible teaches.

You are a wrong divider.

 

[heir]

(Sorry to tell you ... salvation is a life-long process.)

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV

 

[heir]

the false "grace only", "cheap grace", "greasy grace" gospel.

There is nothing false, cheap or greasy about what God through Christ accomplished in our place 2000 years ago!

 

[patrick jane]

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