ECT Is your pastor deceiving you, or is he just ignorant?

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ZacharyB said:
Would you care to give me in 1 or 2 sentences Paul's purpose of writing Romans 6?
Thanks in advance.
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So he had something to put between Romans 5 & 7.

My guess is that you are one of those people that thing that the OT starts at Genesis 1:1 and that the NT starts in Matthews 1:1.

You need to learn to rightly divide the Word of Truth.
 
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ZacharyB said:
The more I study the NT the more WARNINGS I see,
but all the while … most pastors are preaching GRACE!
Most of the NT was written to born-again Christians in the churches,
so many warnings were written to YOU (if indeed you are born-again).
However, most believers today are blind to them (for several reasons).
Dozens of verses WARN: If you choose to keep on sinning without
serious confession and repentance (sincere regret and desire to change),
you will fall from grace and forfeit your salvation!

• “… everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.” (1 John 2:29)

• “… whoever (reverentially) fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him”
(Acts 10:35)

• “… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to death,
OR (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness … so now present your members as slaves
of righteousness for holiness … the wages of sin is (eternal) death” (Romans 6:16, 19, 23)

• “For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death
the (sinful) deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by God’s Spirit,
these are sons of God.” (Romans 8:13-14)

• Jesus warned: And these (the unrighteous) will go away into everlasting punishment,
but the righteous into eternal life.” (Matthew 25:46)

• “To not obey is to not believe” is taught in Hebrews 3:18-19 …
which links back to the applicable examples of: sinning (3:17), rebelling (3:16),
hardening of the heart (3:15), and not remaining faithful (3:14).

• “Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved,
he will receive the crown of (eternal) life … But each one is tempted when he is drawn
away by his own desires … Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;
and sin when it is full-grown brings forth (eternal) death.” (James 1:12-16)

• “Be faithful until death and I will give you the crown of (eternal) life.” (Revelation 2:10)

• Everyone who is cowardly (fearful), unbelieving (includes unfaithful), abominable,
murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in
the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)

• “… reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men” (2 Peter 3:7)
Yes, everyone who is ungodly will be thrown into the lake of fire!

• Jesus is coming back for:
“… a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing …
holy and without blemish.” (Ephesians 5:27)
“… holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:
looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God” (Hebrews 12:14)

• To continue your progressive sanctification unto holiness,
it is critical to regularly confess and repent of your sins …
“IF we walk in the light … the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin
… IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us (of) our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:7-9)
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May I suggest a book you may want to check out called, "The Plot" by Bob Enyart?

http://kgov.com/an-overview-of-the-bible
 
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Galatians 2 KJV
(21) I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
 
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ZacharyB said:
This is my wanna-be signature ...

"Do you not know that
to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
(slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?
... so now present your members as
slaves of righteousness for holiness." (Romans 6:16-19, NKJV)

Translation ...
Believers who are slaves of sin, who are habitual unrepentant sinners,
are facing eternal death!
They have fallen from the faith, fallen from grace, etc.
Even though they may still be intellectual believers,
they certainly are no longer to be considered "faithful" believers.
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We are not slaves to sin anymore since Jesus, the last Adam;
1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV -

I obey the Ten Commandments, you can too ! it's not burdensome 1 John 5:3-5 KJV -

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Titus 3 KJV
(5) Not by works of righteousness which we have done,
but according to his mercy he saved us,
by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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Dearest blind one ... 'tis by both that we can be saved.
(Sorry to tell you ... salvation is a life-long process.)
As James explained fully ... 'tis by faith and works both.
'Tis all through the NT, dearest blind one.

My only question is: who is more blind, you or our very own heir?
 
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patrick jane said:
It's easy to obey !!!! Just Do It !
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Thou art an enormous disgrace to those who are in great love with
the false "grace only", "cheap grace", "greasy grace" gospel.

Thou had better shape up and get with Satan's program for salvation.
And while you're at it, believe in the pre-trib rapture lie from the pits of hell.
And while you're at it, believe you can take the mark of the beast and still be saved.

Oh, yeah, Satan has provided all kinds of false doctrines to derail us from our salvation.
Choose one, choose them all ... you're bound to love them, each and every one of them!
 
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ZacharyB said:
Dearest blind one ... 'tis by both that we can be saved.
(Sorry to tell you ... salvation is a life-long process.)
As James explained fully ... 'tis by faith and works both.
'Tis all through the NT, dearest blind one.

My only question is: who is more blind, you or our very own heir?
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I hope you'll be leaving us soon. I think you will.
 
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ZacharyB said:
Yes.
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Men do not loose salvation.

John 10:27-29 New King James Version (NKJV)

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
 
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John 10:27-29 New King James Version (NKJV)
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;
neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all;
and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand..
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Here we go again ...
Are you in the very special group who understand
what's involved with these 3 words in blue?

Do you hear God's voice?
Do you have a reciprocal relationship with Jesus, "knowing" Him in this way?
Do you really follow Jesus and His commandments?

'Tis quite incredible that everyone thinks this passage applies to them!
It applies to those elected before the foundation of the world, and to no one else.
 
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ZacharyB said:
1984 baptized into the body of Christ (by the Holy Spirit)
1993 baptized with the Holy Spirit (by Jesus Himself)
Any idea what I'm talking about?
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Hi and strat by explainiong 1 Cor 12:13 , what BAPTIZO PLACED means !!

How about 1 Cor 15:29n , BAPTIZED for the Dead ??

How about Eph 4:5 one BAPTISMA ??


Here is an easy one in 1 Cor 10:2 ??

DAN P
 
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ZacharyB said:
Dearest blind one
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I'm not your dear, and I'm not blind.

I just showed you what the apostle of the risen Lord Jesus Christ said about it.


... 'tis by both that we can be saved.
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Read slower, if you must.
Titus 3 KJV
(5) Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;​



(Sorry to tell you ... salvation is a life-long process.)
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Being sorry does not make you right.


As James explained fully ... 'tis by faith and works both.
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Ummm, James was writing to the 12 tribes of Israel, not the Body of Christ.


'Tis all through the NT, dearest blind one.
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What I posted is from the NT.


My only question is: who is more blind, you or our very own heir?
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Unlike you, Heir and I do not tell the Lord Jesus Christ to scoot over and let us help Him accomplish our salvation.
We know that our salvation is not accomplished because of any righteousness we have done.
We give praise to the one and only who's righteousness did accomplish our salvation.

Romans 5 KJV
(18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.​

One - Christ.
Not two - you and Christ.
 
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Romans 4 KJV
(4) Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
 
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