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It says "many" and not "all".
Is Prophecy Being Fulfilled in the Dispensation of Grace?
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Indeed.
glorydaz
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I think you’re misinterpreting what that verse in Romans is saying. Paul is talking about sin not being imputed.
How can there be sin if there is no law?
Gen. 26:4-5. And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Gen. 20:5-6. Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this. 6 And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.
The Bible makes it clear God’s law has been from the beginning. He created us with His law written on our hearts.
And God made His commandments, statutes, and laws known to all, including Abraham and even Moses before he was taken to the mount to receive them written in stone. Exodus 18:13-16
glorydaz
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No, but I see you’re jumping to the hook without enough evidence.
BTW, I look at several versions before I post, but I also know that God never did divorce anyone. He is faithful even when we are not. There are hundreds of verses that talk about God’ faithfulness to His chosen people. To claim otherwise is slander against God. I see you say there is no formal divorce decree for one but not the other. All this based on a misunderstanding of what the prophets are saying.
God goes back and forth with His chosen people, but this subject requires more than just picking a couple of verses out of context. I get accused of that all the time, but I’m discovering others do the same. I‘m still ignored on the Hosea text, people stop when they see Not my people, as if that’s the end of it. But they are grabbing a parable and claiming it’s fact. Hosea, himself makes it clear later on.
Jeremiah 3
11 And the Lord said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah. 12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the Lord; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger for ever.
glorydaz
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So a fill up pages with gobbedy gook.Could you provide an example? (Besides the "example" I address next)
Yeah, no, sorry, Jesus was, as explained immediately after that sentence, speaking of His body, not the actual temple.
He was using veiled language to hide His intentions.
It has nothing to do with the temple being destroyed 37+ years later.
You can state what you believe all you like. It doesn't change the fact that Scripture doesn't talk about it being a "future generation."
Scripture says "THIS GENERATION."
Scripture says "I will return before you make it through all the cities of Israel."
Scripture says "If I will that John remains, what is it to you?"
AND MORE!
I address this below.
Now you're denying Paul's words. Speaking of Israel, he says:
I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness! For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; For this is My covenant with them,When I take away their sins.” Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
Bible Gateway passage: Romans 11:11-32 - New King James Version
Israel’s Rejection Not Final - I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their...www.biblegateway.com
He states quite clearly that they were cut off!
Then why does Paul say they have fallen? That they were broken off?
Whatever that's supposed to mean...
No one has said otherwise!
What we, and specifically, what I have said, is that Israel CURRENTLY holds NO SPECIAL STATUS as God's people. They are currently on the level of all other Gentile nations.
Saying it doesn't make it so, GD.
Which were already scattered...
Doubtful.
If they are, it's at a glacial pace...
So what?
No one said otherwise.
They hold no special status as God's people currently.
I don't think we're speaking about the same group of people.
Israel is FAR from Godly.
The golden calves have been replaced with other things.
You need to take whatever glasses you have on off, because they are FAR from God-fearing.
They worship their laws. Not literally, of course, but they do prioritize obedience to their laws over love of God.
They are a fallen nation, in rebellion against their God.
Saying it doesn't make it so.
You go against Paul's words.
Let us know when it's the last few sentences.
As far as I'm aware, no one here thinks the Body of Christ has replaced (ie, permanently taken the place of) Israel as God's chosen people.
That would indeed be folly.
No! What we're saying is that Israel's program has been put on hold for the time being, and that once God is done working with the Gentiles, He will return to working directly with Israel.
Replacement theology is the belief that Israel is permanently done for, that God will never return to working with them again, and that the Body of Christ has taken its place.
I am not a subscriber to that belief, nor is RD, nor is Clete.
With that being said...
The Body of Christ and the "covenant" of grace is currently God's focus, and not Israel and her New Covenant, so in a sense, the BoC has "replaced" Israel, temporarily.
But God WILL return to working with Israel again, as Paul states clearly in Romans 11.
There's no magic involved, GD.
The Body of Christ will be caught up. Then God will gather all the Hebrews to their land, from across the world.
The Body of Christ has not been caught up yet. Thus, God has not started gathering Israel.
Not sure if you're aware of this, but the site of the Jerusalem temple is currently occupied by an Islamic Mosque, called the "Dome of the Rock."
There isn't a Jewish temple there.
Until that mosque is gone, I wouldn't be too concerned with Christ's return happening in the next few years.
Not to say it won't happen at any point in the near future, just that it's kind of hard to build a temple there when the space is occupied by something else.
Someone needs to go over there and tell those muslim occupiers to ship out.
The fatal flaw is in your interpretation of scripture.
God is not the author of confusion.
You are clearly confused.
It's not Paul's fault.
It's due to a lack of right division.
I sit back in shock and awe at the audacity.
Actually, it puts me in mind of what Paul says concerning this very subject.
Romans 11:
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
“Wise in your own conceits“. Kinda funny how your continual claims of right division are being exposed. In my humble opinion of course.
I honestly don’t think you have a clue about Israel today. They make this country look like true heathens. In fact, God has not only prepared the land, He’s preparing the people. It’s in the Bible, but mid acts is rather secluded. No Jews allowed. Not that Paul, Himself thought that way.
There is a Love for Israel channel and another one that shows Messianic Jews witnessing to people in Israel. Yes, Jews. Right there in the land praying to God. Your disdain for the Jews is fitting right in to these end times. They are being chased back to the land. Keep watching. You may, indeed, find some right division.
This tells me you didn't even bother to read what I said.
This tells me you didn't read what I quoted.
Look in a mirror.
I don't care about your opinions.
We're done here. I've tried to be patient with you. You refuse to engage the points I bring up.
There's literally no point in discussing things with you because all you do is repeat your position as though I hadn't just spent an hour going through and addressing each of your claims.
glorydaz
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That’s s fine, but, once again you have mischaracterized pretty much everything I posted.
First, your posts are so long, that I can’t follow, nor can I respond to those long posts because I end up erasing half of what I post. So to me, it’s s a blur. I did ask you to keep it simple, but if you can’t manage to do that, just skip me. I’m fine with that.
And yes you spent an hour, and it would take me an hour to figure out where to start.
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Can't? Or won't?
Maybe because what I say is sound reasoning, and your claims don't hold up.
Just a thought.
I'm doing that. I literally cannot make it any simpler. My position just isn't hard to understand.
Have you ever considered that maybe, JUUUUUUUUUUUUST MAYBE, it's because the only appropriate response to the arguments I'm making is to concede? Not because I'm the one making them. Not because I say so. But because I'm making an irrefutable argument about what the Bible says that is consistent with the truth?
Have you considered the possibility that you're actually wrong in this belief because your claims actually do not line up with what the scripture says?
Or are you too stubborn to consider that possibility?
I mean, it's not like I'm asking you to do anything you haven't done before. You are a Christian, no? You've submitted to the truth at least once in your life. All I'm asking you to do is submit to the truth, to reconsider your position. Question it, challenge it, put it through the wringer.
In other words:
Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. . . . Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor. Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work. Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Timothy 2:14-16, 2 Timothy 2:19-26 - New King James Version
Approved and Disapproved Workers - Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But...
Can't? Or won't?
Maybe because what I say is sound reasoning, and your claims don't hold up.
Just a thought.
I'm doing that. I literally cannot make it any simpler. My position just isn't hard to understand.
Have you ever considered that maybe, JUUUUUUUUUUUUST MAYBE, it's because the only appropriate response to the arguments I'm making is to concede? Not because I'm the one making them. Not because I say so. But because I'm making an irrefutable argument about what the Bible says that is consistent with the truth?
Have you considered the possibility that you're actually wrong in this belief because your claims actually do not line up with what the scripture says?
Or are you too stubborn to consider that possibility?
I mean, it's not like I'm asking you to do anything you haven't done before. You are a Christian, no? You've submitted to the truth at least once in your life. All I'm asking you to do is submit to the truth, to reconsider your position. Question it, challenge it, put it through the wringer.
In other words:
Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. . . . Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor. Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work. Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Timothy 2:14-16, 2 Timothy 2:19-26 - New King James Version
Approved and Disapproved Workers - Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But...www.biblegateway.com
Look, GD. I'm glad you're here. I'm grateful that you give me even some of your time.
All I'm trying to say is that the least you could do is to put that time time to good use by thoroughly reading through what I say, and giving it consideration.
Your brain is a muscle (not literally, of course). If you don't exercise it, it will atrophy.
Saying things like, "your posts are too long," or, "keep it simple," are akin to looking at that treadmill in your gym and actively choosing not to use it.
I'm not even asking you to respond to what I say right away.
I am asking you to at the very least take the time to read what I say, to not let your eyes glaze over as you do.
And if you don't understand something, I'm always more than willing to try to explain.
But that's not what I'm getting from you.
All I'm getting from you is claims that my posts are too difficult to read and you restating your position without any advancement (IE, argument from repitition).
Simply repeatinig your claims does not advance the conversation.
Rebutting your opponent's arguments does.
If you can read what I say, understand it, and still disagree, even if you just say "I've read what you've said, and I still disagree".....
GREAT! Now we're getting somewhere!
WHAT do you disagree with? Quote what I said.
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WHY do you disagree with.it? Be as specific as possible. Can you provide scripture for your disagreement? Does my argument fail somewhere, and if so, where?
HOW does your position make more sense than mine? Please try to draw the parallels between your position and what scripture says.
Things like this go a VERY long way in progressing the discussion.
I can say it because they are an almost totally secular nation and because they are not a kingdom and because they are so far away from trusting God that quasi-fascist God haters are in almost total control of the temple mount and would burn the place to the ground before letter a Jew get within 50 yards of it with a lamb or a bull or a gold menorah or anything else that remotely looked as if they were going to perform temple worship anywhere near that area.
There isn't a single syllable in the bible the would suggest that He intends to do anything of the sort. Adam has died, as have Abraham and all the others that you mentioned.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
There is some reason to believe that perhaps the two witnesses spoken of in Revelation may be Enoch and Elijah because neither of them experienced physical death but were taken directly to heaven. Apart from that, there isn't any reason to believe that God is going to be resurrecting a bunch of the Old Testament characters during the Millennium.
Afterwards, when God creates the New Heaven and New Earth and brings the New Jerusalem down from Heaven and everyone including Adam and Abraham and Moses and all those guys are all raised from the dead, then we'll get to meet them and hang out with them and all that but that's AFTER this Earth is gone.
That is what you're basing a belief that Adam is going to hanging around in Jerusalem during the Millennia? Seriously?
Jesus' physical body was formed in Mary's womb but Jesus Himself was NOT "made". Jesus is THE Creator.
Genetics are genetics. People get half of their genes from the immediate father and the other half from the immediate mother. This is true of you and it was true of your parents and it was true of their parents before them and so on. The math then is pretty straight forward. You just keep cutting the percentage in half for each of 41 generations and you come to less than 1 trillionth of a percent of Abraham's genetic material making it to Jesus' physical body. (Incidentally, human beings do not have trillions of genes and so saying that someone shares less that 1 trillionth of someone's genetic material is basically equivalent to saying that they don't share any at all, except perhaps by pure chance.)
The point there is that it isn't about genetics!
Actually, there are two important aspect in which it is about genetics. First, the promise was made to Abraham and his progeny. That much goes without saying. Second, Jesus had to be PURELY human without even the slightest presence of anything from the Nephilim in His genetic make up. This is what is being referred to when the bible talks about Noah being "perfect in his generations". A major goal of the Flood was to prevent the pollution of the human blood line which would have made the birth of the Messiah impossible. Apart from these two issues, however, Jesus' birth was not about genetics and while Abraham was His father in terms of ancestry, it was God the Father who was Jesus' Father.
I didn't say that. It's not close to "most" but it certainly is a LOT! Again, sharing less than 1 trillionth of one percent of genetic material is the practical equivalent of sharing none at all because we do not have anywhere near a trillion genes never mind a hundred trillion which is what you'd be dealing with since we're talking in terms of percentages.
As if that has ANY meaning whatsoever!
Do you often shoe horn in the color of a man's skin into conversations where no one has said anything to suggest that it's at all relevant?
You're the one picking nits here on this issue, not me.
It is a reference to God ending the dispensation of Grace as preached by the Apostle Paul and His returning again to Israel.
Based on what? Is this just a guess on your part or are you basing this on something scriptural?
The events you are referring to are to happen as part of Daniel's 70th week, a string a prophetic events that are currently on hold because God has cut Israel off and turned instead to the Gentiles. The "fullness of the Gentiles" is not a reference to unbelieving gentiles who are oppressing Israel but to believing Gentiles who are saved under the Dispensation of Grace. When that dispensation is ended, then God starts Israel's prophesied program back up and Daniel's 70th week of years begins.
In short, the "fullness of the Gentiles" isn't about Israeli politics, it's about the ending of one dispensation and the start of another.
Neither. There will be no "tribulation saints", to use your terminology, in the body of Christ. Believers who die in the tribulation will be members of the Kingdom of Israel along with folks like Peter, James and John. Old Testament believers will be in various categories, depending on which dispensation was active when they came to believe, but are mostly (i.e. from Abraham onward) also members of the Kingdom of Israel and NOT the Body of Christ.
This much of what you've said I have no problem with. There is a question mark in regard to what you mean by "given the "New Covenant"" but that seems like its too far into the weeds to bother with at this time.
I do not dispute at all that Israel will be located in the same geographical location that it has always been but there is not one single iota of biblical evidence for the belief that Old Testament believers and prophets will be alive on this Earth at any point in the future. Their resurrection happens after the Millennium is over and God burns both Heaven and Earth with a fervent heat and starts over with a New Heaven and a New Earth with a New Jerusalem.
I used to be up to my neck in eschatology and have maintained a passing interest for close to four decades now and this is the very first time I've ever come across anyone who believes anything similar to this. Where are you getting this from?
What's weird is that I can usually know just about exactly what someone is going to say when it comes to these issues. I can tell what they're going to agree with and that they're going to dispute and what their arguments are going to be both for their own doctrine and against mine. I am able to do this, not because I'm particularly smart but merely because I used to believe most of what passes for Christian eschatology and I understand the premises upon which these doctrines are built. With you, however, it's very different. You are the one and only person I've ever heard of that believes Adam and Noah are going to present during the Millennium and the "surviving Gentiles will have 100 years to convert to the "Everlasting Gospel" or be thrown into the lake of fire" thing is so unique that I have a hard time even processing it, never mind figuring out what you could possibly use to justify such a doctrine.
There is no need to interpret it. Just read it! It means just exactly what it plainly says.
There can be sin where there is no law because you don't have to have the law to know right from wrong!
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was the ALTERNATIVE to God, right? Do you suppose that it was impossible to do rightly before the law said "Love the Lord your God will all your heart" and "love your neighbor as yourself"?
You simply do not need the law to know right from wrong. What you need is God. That's pretty close to being the ENTIRE point of the whole bible!
Where those two passages intended to prove that God's law has been in place from the beginning?
They fail and it is the Holy Spirit's inspired words written by the Apostle Paul that proves it.
Romans 5:13 For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses...
This is flatly false and indeed, counter even to the gospel itself.
The Law was given through Moses. Before that, there either was no law at all (prior to Noah's Flood) or such "laws" as to allow for human government which was instituted upon Noah's landing the Ark. (See Genesis 9 where God allows the eating of ALL animals (not just "clean" animals) and instituted the death penalty for murder and other instructions and promises.)
It is important, however, to understand that this is not THE LAW. There is a difference between criminal justice and the Law of Moses. The former is included in the later but is not defined by it.
The topic here is actually quite complex, actually, and it would be very easy to get buried in the weeds here, but suffice it to say that there has never been any iteration of any kind of "law" that ever categorically forbid divorce - period. It would be fundamentally unjust to force an abused wife to remain with her husband and it would be fundamentally unjust to force someone to remain married to an unfaithful spouse. We know that God is not unjust and so can, on that basis alone, know that divorce could not ever have been categorically forbidden.
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So far, here is the list of support for the fulfillment of scripture in 1948:
- It's so obvious
- Why can't you see it?
- Everyone but you believes it.
- What else can it be?
- Other prophecies, that also cannot be supported, are also being fulfilled.
God Himself says otherwise.
To the Body of Christ! Because He cannot deny Himself!
Context, context, context!!!
And a few that talk about Him having given Israel (the northern Kingdom) a certificate of divorce.
It's just the prophet Jeremiah and Apostle Paul that said it, Glorydaz!
You need to watch the things you say.
I didn't say it, the bible did! I'm not just making this stuff up as I go here. I've directly quoted the bible itself saying these things.
No misunderstanding. The passages are not difficult and they aren't written in any sort of poetic language nor are the pithy proverbs such as you find in the books of Proverbs and the Psalms and elsewhere. It's very straight forward language that quoting God Himself and obviously means just what it seems to be saying. All one has to do to understand it is to read it.
I've picked nothing at all out if context.
If you think I have then tell me, what is the context of the entire chapter of Jeremiah chapter 3 if not backslidden Israel and how they've "played the harlot", committed adultery and, as a result, "I [God] had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce"?
What other context could there possibly be that would change the meaning of that sentence to be "God never did divorce anyone", to use your words? How can you read that passage and think that it means the opposite of what it says?
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While writing this, I got the notion that perhaps you're thinking that we are suggesting that this divorce was final and permanent. If that's what you're reacting to then you've misunderstood.
I confess that I do not know what Hosea passage you're referring to.
Do you believe that verse 11 and 12 contradict verse 8 of that same chapter?
As I said above, it is not our position that God's divorce from or "putting away" of Israel was permanent, although since the northern kingdom never repented and what was called Judah is what now carries the collective term "Israel", it seems it turned out to be permanent in that regard.
The text here is quite clear and unmistakable. There is no possibility of misunderstanding it and so I don't understand your hesitancy toward accepting what it plainly says. What is it about this issue that makes it so critically important for you to maintain that God didn't something that the Bible records He Himself explicitly stating that He did do? I genuinely do not get it.
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NO, WE DON'T STOP THERE. You are falsely accusing us GD. You should NOT do that.
But you are definitely ignoring LO-AMMI altogether!
We have said MANY TIMES that God will RESTORE the nation of Israel. But at the present time, God is not talking to Israel, He is building the body of Christ!
glorydaz
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I get chastised a lot, but can anyone explain to me how to erase this stuff I intended to answer, so I can actually try to answer these long posts? Do I have to keep hitting the X button all the way to the top?
If not, these long posts are driving me crazy. I’d like to give you each a smack upside the head, but it’s probably not allowed.
Right Divider
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For short, quick posts... I use my cell phone or tab
For longer stuff (including Bible quotes)... I use my laptop computer.
It's hard to do complex posting with a cell phone or tablet.
glorydaz
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I have not been ignoring Lo-Ammi…..not my people. I have been trying to tell you that you must read the entire book of Hosea if you want to know what God is saying. He is showing, through Hosea, that all the threats of putting Gomer away are just that….threats. Because every single time …..not just one time, but every single time Hosea is to take her back. Even paying full price when she is has been rejected by her lovers. Hosea makes it clear that God will plant her in the land while she is still in sin.
God may not be “talking to Israel”, but He is busy with, her nonetheless.
Hosea 2:14 Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfortably unto her.
Oh, well I’m living off grid and only have this IPad. Guess I’ll just deal with it.
Agreed.
Using a Bible app to quote scripture helps a lot.
I don't know why people keep saying this.
It really is not that difficult!
I use a Bluetooth keyboard for typing, a Bible app for quoting scripture, and since I almost always have both my phone and tablet with me, I have a second screen for looking stuff up.
Also, I learned how to use the most common BBCode tags (found by clicking on the "Help" button at the bottom of TOL and then clicking on the "BBCode" link, like the QUOTE and LIST and some of the formatting tags that are inserted when using the text-only editor (under the 3-dot dropdown menu next to the "Preview Post" button at the top right of the text input box, it's the "[ ]" button).
The only real challenge is making sure to use the proper formatting tags and to not forget a tag or "/".
The vast majority of my posts on TOL, perhaps 99% of them, have been done on a mobile device.
I can kind of understand with a cell phone if the screen is really small, but even so...
Right Divider
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Just a "threat"...
So you continue to claim.... without support.
I think that you can get a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse for that. That would help.