Israel committing idolatry IS the “other man”.
According to you maybe but not according the the law.
As I said before, marriage is more than just having sex with someone. Marriage is a legal proceeding where one's legal status is altered. An adulteress is not married to her lover and neither is a fornicator.
John 4:17 The woman answered and said, “I have no husband.”
Jesus said to her, “You have well said, ‘I have no husband,’ 18 for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; in that you spoke truly.”
Now, glorydaz, that's proof, okay? That is flat out positive proof that you ARE wrong on this point. Please don't be like everyone else and fail to let it move you even an inch off your position.
God has revealed to me what His words meant. You want me to pretend I don’t know?
God knows that I know that He was painting a picture even the densest human could figure out. I get it. You don’t.
OH! Well then, if you have direct divine revelation on this stuff then you've gotten me beat! All I've got is God's word plainly read and taken to mean what it clearly states!
What does it mean then when He kept telling them His hand was outstretched still?
Well, obviously, this is a figure of speech because God does not have hands. Humans have hands, not God! Right, glorydaz? So, if we are to follow your reckoning, it must mean the opposite of what it seems to mean! Surely its just a image God is painting that means that God never put them away at all, right?
Of course, what it ACTUALLY means is that God wants Israel to repent so that He can take them back. Just as I've been saying the whole time.
Clearly, God never divorced Ephraim or any of the other sons of Israel.
That certainly isn't even remotely what the sentence means. That's just you reading your doctrine into it.
You continue to miss totally what God is saying. He is being facetious. Too bad it’s going over your head. Sorry, but I’m beginning to see the humor in this.
Am I supposed to just take your word for it? You can find all the excuses your mind can conjure to blow off the arguments I've made but you know as well as I do that it doesn't count as an actual rebuttal. It just means that you don't really care whether what you believe comports with the plain reading of scripture.
This point about marriage and divorce is a rather minor detail but what one does with the little things, they'll do with the big things too.
Yes, and every single time he told them He was finished, He returned.
Not to Ephraim, He didn't.
Why? Because God has promised.
His promise to Jacob was conditional, glorydaz. A point I fully established in my previous post. Why do you ignore major arguments and respond as though repeating your position makes it as though I've said nothing at all?
Whoa. A perfectly legitimate and even a GODLY thing to do?
AMEN!
Divorcing an adulteress wife is entirely the right thing to do. It isn't pleasant but its far preferable to the pain caused by the alternative. There is a reason why adultery should be a capital crime.
The Bible tells us it’s the result of the hardness of men’s heart. I’m sticking to that one.
I'd say that adultery is the result of the hardness of men's (human's) hearts. The divorce is a secondary result.
You have to be able to think past the end of your nose on this, glorydaz. Just because divorce is a wise thing to do under certain circumstances doesn't mean that it should be one's goal.
If someone breaks into my house in the middle of the night, threatening to harm me or my wife, blowing his head off with my shotgun will be the righteous result of that man's actions and rightly so. That doesn't mean that I go around looking for opportunities to create extra facial cavities for people with my firearm because that wouldn't we righteous, that would be murder. Likewise, divorcing an unfaithful spouse is righteous, divorcing a wife without proper cause is very wrong and probably adultery!
Matthew v 8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
Once again, repeating your position doesn't make the refutation of it go away, except perhaps in your own mind.
It seems to me you’re taking this personally. I attribute NO blame to God.
You need to slow down and be clear about what it is you're responding to before writing this sort of thing.
YOU are the one who said, and it seems your entire position is predicated upon the notion that IF God divorced Israel, which the bible flatly states He did do, then that would be a fault in God. "Divorce = fault" is YOUR major premise. If that premise is false then there is no basis at all for the position you are here defending.
He did what no mortal could do. He kept His promise, and will continue to keep His promise to the seed of Jacob, and His stretched out arm was always there, and will be there to the end.
Well, that simply is not what the bible says, glordaz! The bible, indeed God HIMSELF, explicitly states that He gave Ephraim a certificate of divorce, which was completely in keeping with the CONDITIONAL promise that He had made and with the repeated warnings that He issued to Israel through more than one of His prophet, not the least of which was Moses.
Deuteronomy 8:19 Then it shall be, if you by any means forget the Lord your God, and follow other gods, and serve them and worship them, I testify against you this day that you shall surely perish. 20 As the nations which the Lord destroys before you, so you shall perish, because you would not be obedient to the voice of the Lord your God.
Jesus was choleric with his disciples. Peter was phlegmatic with choleric tendencies. Me? I've ADHD (Clete pay attention, I'm exasperating to Cholerics). That said, he has come leaps and bounds and I love him for it, and he us in doing so. Believe it or not, he's been very patient lately, tremendously so.
Frankly, there isn’t enough information given. Had all her husbands died, and she just hadn’t gotten married to this one?
