Is Perspecuity Necessary for Sola Scriptura?

[Bright Raven]

Where in the New Testament do you find it stated that "Only terms which appear explicitly in the Bible may be used by Christians to describe their faith"? :think:

I see the church mentioned, not necessarily the catholic church.

 

[Bright Raven]

Yes, "the Word of God," that is, Scripture and Tradition as believed and taught by Christ's one historic Church.

Your tradition is drawn from scripture.

 

[Cruciform]

I see the church mentioned, not necessarily the Catholic Church.

Actually, the phrase "catholic church" IS used in the New Testament (for example, see Ac. 9:31; Rom. 1:8), but it was not used as a specific name for Christ's one historic Church until Ignatius, the bishop of Antioch and disciple of John the Apostle, began referring to the Church by that name in his writings, and the other early Church Fathers quickly followed suit. By the end of the 1st century, Christ's one historic church was already commonly known as "the Catholic Church." This a demonstrable historic fact.



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
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[Cruciform]

Your tradition is drawn from scripture.

Scripture and Tradition compliment one another, and cannot be separated or played against one another. Together they comprise the word of God (Divine Revelation). See this.

 

[iouae]

Ironic, since I can find no trace of sola scriptura in the Bible, so you must be wrong.


For example...?

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Sanctified through the word, not the Church.

The word is truth or sola scriptura.

Examples of church error...

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Roman Catholicism/catholic_heresies-a_list.htm

 

[Cruciform]

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Please indicate precisely where the words "Scripture," "Bible," or "written" appear anywhere in this verse. Thanks.

Examples of church error...

Try again. And again. And again.



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
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[Bright Raven]

Please indicate precisely where the words "Scripture," "Bible," or "written" appear anywhere in this verse. Thanks.


Try again. And again. And again.



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
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Is the Word scripture?

 

[Cruciform]

Is the Word scripture?

The term "word" in the Bible may sometimes refer to the Scriptures, but most often simply means God's "message," in whatever form it happens to be communicated.

 

[Bright Raven]

The term "word" in the Bible may sometimes refer to the Scriptures, but most often simply means God's "message," in whatever form it happens to be communicated.

So God's message is not scripture?

 

[Cruciform]

So God's message is not scripture?

Yes---and so is Tradition.

 

[Bright Raven]

Yes---and so is Tradition.

Tradition is Scripture?

 

[Cruciform]

Tradition is Scripture?

Rather, God's message ("word") is communicated in two forms: Scripture and Tradition (2 Thess. 2:15).

 

[Bright Raven]

So you place tradition on the same level as scripture?

 

[Cruciform]

So you place tradition on the same level as scripture?

Tradition is the same thing as Scripture, that is, the authoritative word ("message") of God.

 

[Bright Raven]

Tradition is the same thing as Scripture, that is, the authoritative word ("message") of God.

Nope.

2 Peter 1:20-21 New King James Version (NKJV)

20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

 

[glassjester]

So you place tradition on the same level as scripture?

Bingo

 

[Bright Raven]

Bingo

:nono:

 

[glassjester]

:nono:

Why not?

 

[Cruciform]

Nope. 2 Peter 1:20-21

Sorry, but your proof-text in no way contradicts my observation that Tradition, along with Scripture, is the authoritative word of God, as is definitively shown here.

 

[Cruciform]

:nono:

Post your proof.