Is mankind basically good ?

[Arthur Brain]

You deny that man is born with an evil bent. Therefore, you're a liberal. But I already knew that.

Um, no, your assertions aren't facts and what you think you "know" is merely subjective opinion where it comes to such. Heck, you ain't even got the honesty to state just exactly who it is in your own OP when questioned about your veiled attack on a poster dude. Is that a 'conservative' trait?

 

[quip]

you've never had a child, have you?

trust me, they're born selfish

Had 5.

But is selfish evil?

 

[ok doser]

see post #2

 

[Arthur Brain]

Had 5.

But is selfish evil?

When you consider that they're basically operating on an inbuilt need for survival/food at such an age then it's neither good or evil anyway.

 

[quip]

see post #2

Ok evil springs from selfishness. So, how does evil spring from a newborn's selfishness?

 

[ClimateSanity]

Man is basically selfish

all of his other attributes spring from that

And the bent toward evil springs from that selfishness. That's how infants are born with evil capacity.

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[quip]

When you consider that they're basically operating on an inbuilt need for survival/food at such an age then it's neither good or evil anyway.

Seems like they're making a good argument for abortion.

 

[quip]

And the bent toward evil springs from that selfishness. That's how infants are born with evil capacity.

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Downgraded to capacity now?

 

[ok doser]

Seems like they're making a good argument for abortion.

a perfect demonstration of selfishness :thumb:

a Christian would say that it makes a good argument for a proper, Godly upbringing

 

[quip]

a perfect demonstration of selfishness :thumb:

a Christian would say that it makes a good argument for a proper, Godly upbringing

Maybe, though not all will receive such an upbringing. Shall you good christians abort the remainder?

 

[Arthur Brain]

Seems like they're making a good argument for abortion.

They're not making a good argument for anything...

A newborn is only reacting to it's natural and inbuilt need for nourishment. It has no awareness of morals or ethics and is thoroughly dependent on it's parents to provide it, just the same as that persons children (if they have any) will be reliant on them, such is the cycle of life.

For consistency then these crackpots would have to argue that a zygote is being selfish by forming inside its mothers body...

 

[quip]

They're not making a good argument for anything...

A newborn is only reacting to it's natural and inbuilt need for nourishment. It has no awareness of morals or ethics and is thoroughly dependent on it's parents to provide it, just the same as that persons children (if they have any) will be reliant on them, such is the cycle of life.

For consistency then these crackpots would have to argue that a zygote is being selfish by forming inside its mothers body...

BINGO!

Why be a party to an evil creation if there's even the slightest chance that this being might reject a proper godly upbringing.

Totally selfish!

 

[Arthur Brain]

BINGO!

Why be a party to an evil creation if there's even the slightest chance that this being might reject a proper godly upbringing.

Totally selfish!

You can't expect logic or consistency from such a fundamentally flawed (or crackpot) viewpoint to begin with. May as well anthropomorphize human characteristics onto my cat and call it evil when it meows to be fed...

:freak:

 

[ClimateSanity]

Maybe, though not all will receive such an upbringing. Shall you good christians abort the remainder?

Only a liberal can concoct such notions in his brain. It never fails to astonish me....and then they pat each other on the back for such wickedness.

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[Angel4Truth]

mankind is selfish


dinner, on the other hand, is shellfish :chew:

Ewww

 

[ok doser]

Only a liberal can concoct such notions in his brain. It never fails to astonish me....and then they pat each other on the back for such wickedness.

well, to be fair, they are struggling with the handicap of being retarded

 

[quip]

Only a liberal can concoct such notions in his brain. It never fails to astonish me....and then they pat each other on the back for such wickedness.

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Relax...its just sarcasm.

I get it. Newborns must be evil because they naturally need God's strong hand to be good.

Rather liberals think this is a pathetic way to look at things.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Relax...its just sarcasm.

I get it. Newborns must be evil because they naturally need God's strong hand to be good.

Rather liberals think this is a pathetic way to look at things.

Yes, i agree, your view is a pathetic way to look at that, when the fact is that sin is what separates us from God. Sin is evil.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Only a liberal can concoct such notions in his brain. It never fails to astonish me....and then they pat each other on the back for such wickedness.

It doesn't (unfortunately) astonish me anymore when rabid self identified conservatives advocate such things as stabbing homosexuals to death as a form of "execution".

 

[ok doser]

I get it. Newborns must be evil because they naturally need God's strong hand to be good.

no, you don't get it

man is born selfish which leads to evil

and thus the need for a Godly upbringing