IS GOD INFINITE ?
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Infinity is not a number. It is a concept.
The universe is not infinite. There is an end to it, although it seems to be expanding.
Hell is not infinite although it is expanding.
Sin is not infinite although it is expanding.
God is infinite but He is the same yesterday, today and forever.
The universe is not infinite. There is an end to it, although it seems to be expanding.
Hell is not infinite although it is expanding.
Sin is not infinite although it is expanding.
God is infinite but He is the same yesterday, today and forever.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
YES.............
YES.............
Such is a 'thought' central to Spirit.
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I would consider 'infinity' itself, first (philosophically), ......then 'God' as 'infinite'.
For those interested in creative explorative ventures in 'infinity', see my Infinity Blog here (commentating on the first 12 chapters of Infinity (Book 1) by the Agni Yogi Society). - It must be so that the potential of infinity lies within the heart of man.
YES.............
Such is a 'thought' central to Spirit.
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I would consider 'infinity' itself, first (philosophically), ......then 'God' as 'infinite'.
For those interested in creative explorative ventures in 'infinity', see my Infinity Blog here (commentating on the first 12 chapters of Infinity (Book 1) by the Agni Yogi Society). - It must be so that the potential of infinity lies within the heart of man.
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How do you know ? You have no evidence for these claims, as most all your claims.
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Ok and that relates to infinity how?
Infiniti is likened to a car or suv. Very expensive :rapture:
freelight
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exploring terms...........
exploring terms...........
If by 'God' we mean the infinite Being and Principle of life/existence itself,....(prior to personification or personality-expression)...then this universal Essence which originates all substance and form, all consciousness...we traditionally assume as 'infinite'. IT is the Infinite Itself.....unborn, undying, without beginning or end, formless, undimensional (Nirguna Brahman = God without qualities or attributes)
As we assume 'God' as 'Deity' being a divine Person or personality, this infinite Being takes on more definite form, dimensionality, relatable attributes and qualities,...yet we still assume this divine personality or 'Godhead' is 'infinite' in nature, with some modifications. ( Saguna Brahman = God with qualities and attributes, form/personality)
We bring this up just to note some schools accept only an impersonal Absolute Principle, since to personify IT, would be to limit or demean it in someway, since The Absolute is beyond relating, beyond knowing even, it just IS. It is the Mother or Matrix of existence/creation.
Only temporal forms which have beginnings and endings appear to be born and die, while the unborn and deathless remains as it IS.
Absolutely, and relatively.
This is because 'God' or the Universal Principle, the Absolute itself, is prior to and the source of all existence, for all creation emerges out from 'God' into its various forms and evolutions. All 'creation' is the expression of potentiality unfolding, evolving in the playground of space-time.
exploring terms...........
If by 'God' we mean the infinite Being and Principle of life/existence itself,....(prior to personification or personality-expression)...then this universal Essence which originates all substance and form, all consciousness...we traditionally assume as 'infinite'. IT is the Infinite Itself.....unborn, undying, without beginning or end, formless, undimensional (Nirguna Brahman = God without qualities or attributes)
As we assume 'God' as 'Deity' being a divine Person or personality, this infinite Being takes on more definite form, dimensionality, relatable attributes and qualities,...yet we still assume this divine personality or 'Godhead' is 'infinite' in nature, with some modifications. ( Saguna Brahman = God with qualities and attributes, form/personality)
We bring this up just to note some schools accept only an impersonal Absolute Principle, since to personify IT, would be to limit or demean it in someway, since The Absolute is beyond relating, beyond knowing even, it just IS. It is the Mother or Matrix of existence/creation.
Only temporal forms which have beginnings and endings appear to be born and die, while the unborn and deathless remains as it IS.
Absolutely, and relatively.
This is because 'God' or the Universal Principle, the Absolute itself, is prior to and the source of all existence, for all creation emerges out from 'God' into its various forms and evolutions. All 'creation' is the expression of potentiality unfolding, evolving in the playground of space-time.
Yes, Jerome !! Colossians 1:16 KJV - Hebrews 11:3 KJV -
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The eyes of the Lord are in every place,
Keeping watch on the evil and the good.
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EXPLANATION:
THE BILLIONS OF ANGELS HAVE EYES TO WATCH EVERYONE AND REPORT BACK TO GOD.
eg. JACOB'S LADDER.
Genesis 28:12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth,
and the top of it reached to heaven:
and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.
Keeping watch on the evil and the good.
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EXPLANATION:
THE BILLIONS OF ANGELS HAVE EYES TO WATCH EVERYONE AND REPORT BACK TO GOD.
eg. JACOB'S LADDER.
Genesis 28:12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth,
and the top of it reached to heaven:
and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.
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Nonsense. You must be confusing the infinite Almighty God with some god of the Greek pantheon.
Scripture proclaims that heaven and earth cannot contain God (1 Kings 8:27), but He also fills heaven and earth with His presence (Jer 23:23–24). God is present throughout heaven and earth, yet He cannot be contained by heaven and earth. Scripture is declaring that God is infinite in that He is not confined to time and space. This concept is commonly called the doctrine of God’s omnipresence. God is not confined to any place. He is infinite, and so is present in all places at once. His center is everywhere. Though infinity may be applied to all God's attributes—he is infinitely merciful, infinitely wise, infinitely holy—yet, if we talk about God's infinity it implies God's omnipresence.
God must needs be infinite in all places at once, not only in regard to the simplicity and purity of His nature—but in regard to his power, which being so glorious, who can set bounds to Him, or prescribe Him a circuit to walk in? It is as if the drop should limit the ocean, or a candle set bounds to the sun.
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MR. RELIGION said,
Nonsense. You must be confusing the infinite Almighty God
with some god of the Greek pantheon.
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Mr. Religion, you Obviously do not know your Bible !!
Where in the Bible does it say that God is INFINITE.??????
It only says that his Understanding is Infinite and NOT Him.
Psalms 147:5 Great is our Lord, and of great power:
his understanding is infinite.
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GOD is NOT OMNIPRESENT.
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The Bible implies that God's Spirit is Working in All but Not His Person.
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1 Corinthians 12:6 And there are diversities of operations,
but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him,
then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him
that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
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JESUS is NOT OMNIPRESENT.
The Bible implies that JESUS fills all with HIS SPIRIT but is not Omnipresent
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Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
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Nonsense. You must be confusing the infinite Almighty God
with some god of the Greek pantheon.
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Mr. Religion, you Obviously do not know your Bible !!
Where in the Bible does it say that God is INFINITE.??????
It only says that his Understanding is Infinite and NOT Him.
Psalms 147:5 Great is our Lord, and of great power:
his understanding is infinite.
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GOD is NOT OMNIPRESENT.
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The Bible implies that God's Spirit is Working in All but Not His Person.
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1 Corinthians 12:6 And there are diversities of operations,
but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him,
then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him
that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
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JESUS is NOT OMNIPRESENT.
The Bible implies that JESUS fills all with HIS SPIRIT but is not Omnipresent
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Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
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infinite means unlimited
and
the only thing that is without limits is love
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the only thing that is without limits is love
Zeke
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The Divine thought/vision isn't made of the visible but the creation process of that imagination/ becoming visible is made from the world of matter that the Divine expresses it self through from the micro to the macro.
You want to boast that God is the source of all the goodies and shy away from the Bad God is also responsible for in this school of duality. The thunder and lightning of matter OT, precedes the still small voice of the Spirit, NT.
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ZEKE said,
You want to boast that God is the source of all the goodies and shy away from the Bad God is also responsible for in this school of duality. The thunder and lightning of matter OT, precedes the still small voice of the Spirit, NT.
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GOD GOT RID OF THE BAD GUYS.
Maybe you want a World Full of Sodomites who may come after you
just as they came after LOT and his household ???
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You want to boast that God is the source of all the goodies and shy away from the Bad God is also responsible for in this school of duality. The thunder and lightning of matter OT, precedes the still small voice of the Spirit, NT.
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GOD GOT RID OF THE BAD GUYS.
Maybe you want a World Full of Sodomites who may come after you
just as they came after LOT and his household ???
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Zeke
Well-known member
You're still around so he missed one.
WonderfulLordJesus
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I don't see where there is any doubt God is infinite on simple logical grounds. He created this vast universe we have yet to plumb the depths of, stars we can't number, and we also know another world on the other side of that veil of space darkness called heaven, His abode. So, this given, you can approach the question from the other side of it, that is, is the God who created all that limited in the worlds He could create? Can you come up with some number of worlds, where the power of eternal God would end? Is there any reason eternal God couldn't engage in creating, for eternity, if He willed? Cannot God do all things He wills?
The obvious answer is that He could, therefore He is infinite. Just the concept of the eternal is an infinite concept: God's very nature is infinite, period. It's only the concept of anybody having no beginning or ending, the concept of unlimited vastness, to small creatures born in time, is something hard to grasp, but this has no bearing on the existence of the infinite.
Draw a circle, then ask yourself where the beginning point and ending point is on a circle line, or even how many points you could have that makeup that circle line. Divide 22 by 7 and try to find where the pattern of numbers after the decimal place repeats, or simply divide 10 by 3 and ask yourself where the last 3 is to the right of the decimal. This, and many other examples, are even arithmetic evidence of the infinite in front of our noses, and anything eternal has no bounds, unless you can provide an answer to when eternity ends.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.
Psalms 19
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
The obvious answer is that He could, therefore He is infinite. Just the concept of the eternal is an infinite concept: God's very nature is infinite, period. It's only the concept of anybody having no beginning or ending, the concept of unlimited vastness, to small creatures born in time, is something hard to grasp, but this has no bearing on the existence of the infinite.
Draw a circle, then ask yourself where the beginning point and ending point is on a circle line, or even how many points you could have that makeup that circle line. Divide 22 by 7 and try to find where the pattern of numbers after the decimal place repeats, or simply divide 10 by 3 and ask yourself where the last 3 is to the right of the decimal. This, and many other examples, are even arithmetic evidence of the infinite in front of our noses, and anything eternal has no bounds, unless you can provide an answer to when eternity ends.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.
Psalms 19
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
Your God is not infinite. And will cease to exist in a few years time when he doesn't turn up on October 23rd to prove that you were such a cool adherent.
Ever since the historical appearance of Jesus, God has been effectively removed from his throne up in heaven.
God has “come down to earth.” He is no longer a remote, angry and jealous figure outside the universe, occasionally dipping in and out to effect some miracle.
As always, he can only make himself known to us through the laws of nature and physics that have been consistent through time.