Derf
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There were two parts to my comment that you were responding to:What I still cannot grasp is why you believe this!
Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:1 Thessalonians 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Thus, we see then that the spirit of man is distinct both from his body and his soul.
You addressed the "distinct part of us" part, but not the "that survives our physical death" part.What I'm suggesting is that our spirits are not a distinct part of us that survives our physical death.
I'm glad you've been persistent with this question. I don't know if I have the full understanding of the impact of believing one view over the other, but I've at least hinted at the problem in other posts (maybe not responding to you, however).Nothing of the above would require the rejection of any of my doctrine regarding the nature of the spirit or the soul, either one. Nor would it interfere with the belief that death is a separation of one's spirit from either one's body or from God (or both).
So my question to you remains the same. Just what is it about the idea that death is a separation of one's spirit from one's body and / or from God (i.e. the Father) that makes you not like the idea? It seems like there must be a logical consequence of that belief that you see as problematic. If you could articulate what that is, I'd be very interested to read it.
Let's say for a moment that God meant my view of death when He told Adam that he would surely die. And let's say for a moment that Satan meant your view of death when he told Adam he would NOT surely die. Adam believed Satan more than he believed God, and it was counted as a deception.
In my understanding, your view is more likely to be Satan's view than mine, since it is a different definition for "death" than is directly apparent in the text.