If Noah's flood was a legend why should anyone trust Jesus?
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6days
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You have seen hundreds of 'indicators of creation' today. (love, language, laughter, etc)
Romans 1:20 "For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God"
6days
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Jesus: "For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me."
The first mention of Jesus is in Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel."
In all human history, there is only One who is the seed of a woman... The Lord Jesus.
Jesus knew the OT contained human error because he had common sense and didn't live under the deluding influence of fear.
The earth is very old and man evolved at least 1 million years ago, thats why we dig up layers of ancient life and pre human bones.
No other culture on earth remembers being related to the Jews. The Chinese ancient dynasties have no Hebrew relatives. The aborigines of Australia have been there 70,000 years. The American Indians have been in America for at least 45,000 years.
Here is a clue, the same corrupt preistly class that conspired to kill Jesus authored the Torah.
Krsto
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If teaching with parables doesn't invalidate The Great Teacher why would teaching using fables invalidate him? If a parable never happened and we can get spiritual truth from it why can't a fable never happen and we still get spiritual truth from it? I think Jesus used both for teaching purposes as long as there was truth he could get out of it for our benefit. That's also quite consistent with ancient near east storytelling - a lost art in our culture, though I do know some pastors that will show movie clips from fables like Star Wars if they can draw some truth from it.
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Caono..... your beliefs are illogical and inconsistemt. You claim Jesus was a great teacher but you pick and choose what to believe recorded in the Bible.
And... not that scripture makes any difference to you but Jesus affirmed the OT in many ways as a source of absolute authority.
Then just believe.
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Kristo said:
You are compromising. Why not believe the virgin birth is just a myth? Perhaps the resurrection is just a good story to teach a lesson?
Christ referred to the writings of Moses more than any other part of the Bible. He refers to it as real history. The gospel and every Christian doctrine is founded in the first few books of the Bible.
Jesus essentially told people that the gospel is diluted or destroyed if you don't believe Moses. ( He said "If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me.")
Jesus never used the term "absolute authority" in reference to the Old Testiment. You are desperate to justify right wing claims made by the corrupt men of the church.
I find it very logical that the Hebrew redactors could not trace their bloodlines back to Adam so they used a local flood myth to whipe out the world and cover up the huge gap.
Krsto
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You don't get it do you. Believing in Moses doesn't equate with believing Moses never made use of fable in his writings. I believe the creation story is fable, but I also believe Moses.
6days
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That compromise leads to a weakened or destroyed gospel.
*If Christ and other Bible authors refer to Genesis as real history, then why should we believe other things they said?
* If first Adam was allegorical, then why did Last Adam have to suffer physical death?
*If Adam and Eve were mythical, then at what point in the genealogies does it become historical?
* Since all Christian doctrine is founded in the first few books of Genesis, we are basing our faith and doctrine on fables?
* Is it ok to apply your logic to everything else in the Bible...IE, why not believe the physical resurrection was a fable?
ETC ETC.... Your belief is a compromise to scripture. It compromises what Christ taught.
Sonnet
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Thanks 6days - that is exactly the point of the OP. There would be no good reason to have faith in Christ if He was wrong just once.
Sonnet
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Do you have proof?
I didn't speak of the age of the earth in the OP and neither does the Bible.
That isn't necessarily significant is it?
And the theory of evolution was written by saints?
Sonnet
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Ok - but if the world 'destroyed by water' (2 Peter 3:6) was a fable then the world to be destroyed by fire might also be a future fable (ibid. v.7). A local fire in a large city? Region of a country?
Why should we take Peter's / Jesus' warnings seriously?
Why should I believe Jesus?
Sonnet
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Good arguments to throw doubt on the Noachian flood (shame the videos were mocking).
May I ask you, User Name, why have put your faith in Jesus? If the videos are right, then, at best, Jesus was disingenuous regarding Noah. At worst, He was in error. Either way, can you seriously argue that He is trustworthy?
Sonnet
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This is the first silly thing you've said.
I didn't say they were proof.
Why aren't they good arguments Stripe?
The moron making the commentary cherry-picked a few lines from a vast body of work and ignored the substantive explanations given fit what we see in the rock layers.
He picked a few deas that are just plain silly, made then sillier, and pretended he had addressed flood theory.
He also ignored the fatal flaws in the evolutionary model.