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I Am Almost In Tears
- Thread starter Squeaky
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I said
You seem to have bits and pieces of verses. That is one of the quickest ways of being deceived . Here is the way it is presented in scripture. There is no condemnation IF we walk after the Holy Spirit. And He only quotes verses.
[Rom 8:1-2 NKJV] 1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
There is no "if" in Romans 8. You are adding it and making our relationship works based rather than by grace.
Romans 8:1-2
"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death."
There is no "if we walk after the Holy Spirit" in those verses. You are adding your own commentary.
The rest of Romans 8 shares whom it is that God has released from condemnation. It shares how the Spirit of God pleads on our behalf as we struggle due to our weakness. It shares how the Spirit of God intercedes for us. It goes on and says "If God is for us, who can be against us?" The answer is: No one. We are held in God's glorious grip...even when we lose our grip on God.
You see, squeaky, that's God's amazing grace. Live in the incredible joy of being set free. No rules and regulations can make us in the image of God. Only God can make us what He desires to be...and God is perfecting us according to His will, not according to some list of rules and regulations. God has set us free from the law of sin and death.
Peace
There is no "if" in Romans 8. You are adding it and making our relationship works based rather than by grace.
Romans 8:1-2
"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death."
There is no "if we walk after the Holy Spirit" in those verses. You are adding your own commentary.
The rest of Romans 8 shares whom it is that God has released from condemnation. It shares how the Spirit of God pleads on our behalf as we struggle due to our weakness. It shares how the Spirit of God intercedes for us. It goes on and says "If God is for us, who can be against us?" The answer is: No one. We are held in God's glorious grip...even when we lose our grip on God.
You see, squeaky, that's God's amazing grace. Live in the incredible joy of being set free. No rules and regulations can make us in the image of God. Only God can make us what He desires to be...and God is perfecting us according to His will, not according to some list of rules and regulations. God has set us free from the law of sin and death.
Peace
I said
The if is there. Read this
who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
All whom God has chosen to adopt and make his children walk according to the Spirit. Those who are not adopted will walk according to the flesh. This is the point of Paul sharing the role of the Spirit in Romans 8.I said
The if is there. Read this
who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Squeaky, it's all about God's work in us by virtue of us being placed in Christ. We humans cannot better ourselves or merit a closer standing with God by our works.
When I read your initial post, it reads like a person who has created a formula for determining who is Spirit filled and who isn't. Such a formula is not given in scripture. We cannot judge our sisters and brothers by your system. Your system is legalism, not grace.
All whom God has chosen to adopt and make his children walk according to the Spirit. Those who are not adopted will walk according to the flesh. This is the point of Paul sharing the role of the Spirit in Romans 8.
Squeaky, it's all about God's work in us by virtue of us being placed in Christ. We humans cannot better ourselves or merit a closer standing with God by our works.
When I read your initial post, it reads like a person who has created a formula for determining who is Spirit filled and who isn't. Such a formula is not given in scripture. We cannot judge our sisters and brothers by your system. Your system is legalism, not grace.
I said
Do you even know what grace is?
GRACE -UNSOLICITED MERCY-NEW TESTAMENT-THE LAW OF CHRIST
Gal 4:4-5
4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
Eph 2:8
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:16-17
16 And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Acts 15:11
11 "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they."
Acts 20:32
32 "So now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
Rom 1:5-6
5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name,
6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;
Rom 3:24
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Rom 4:16
16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
Rom 5:1-2
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:15
15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
Gal 3:16
16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ.
Rom 5:17-20
17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
Rom 5:21
21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 15:14
14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
I Jn 2:4
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
I Jn 2:3
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
I Jn 5:3
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
(NKJ)
xxxGrace is uncilisted mercy. Grace is a new way thought up by God, we dont deserve it, we have not earned it, we didnt even think of it but God gave it to us-a new way the new testament. God looked down on us and said them dummies arent getting it I have to think of a new way. The new testament is our Grace. Now within the new testament there are commandments. Jesus brought us the new testament, this is how Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. Not knowing what the gift of grace was, so many are useing grace as an excuse to sin. Grace is not a way to justify sin, it is a better way to get rid of sin. The law of Christ is a new law. God explained that we didnt have nothing to do with His grace. It was His decision of sending Jesus with the new law.
John 15:13-14
13 "Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.
14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
(NKJ)
Gal 6:2
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
(NKJ)
John 15:10
10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
(NKJ)
xxx God didnt do away with the idea of what He says is law, He just changed the law. And only for those who have faith in the new law.
Heb 7:12
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
(NKJ)
1 Cor 15:9-11
9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
(NKJ)
Eph 2:8-9
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
(NKJ)
Titus 2:11-13
11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,
13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
(NKJ)
Rom 5:16
16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.
(NKJ)
Rom 5:1-4
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance;
4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope.
(NKJ)
Eph 2:18-20
18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone,
(NKJ)
Eph 3:12
12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.
(NKJ)
Rom 2:11-13
11 For there is no partiality with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
(NKJ)
I Jn 2:3-4
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
(NKJ)
xxx Gods grace sent us the new testament, new laws, new commandments, new covenant.
I sure all born again Christians can see why I'm so sad with the replies that I have received just on this thread. And the others are worse. Its like I'm talking to children-young children. Only a child would think their own opinion could override scriptures. But yet I get all these personal opinions with absolutely no supporting scriptures. What is sad is the people that just give their own opinion don't know it is worthless without supporting scriptures.
A lot of words and verses with no context. Let me make it really simple for you.I said
Do you even know what grace is?
GRACE -UNSOLICITED MERCY-NEW TESTAMENT-THE LAW OF CHRIST
Gal 4:4-5
4But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
5to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
Eph 2:8
8For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
John 1:14
14And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:16-17
16And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.
17For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Acts 15:11
11"But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they."
Acts 20:32
32"So now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
Rom 1:5-6
5Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name,
6among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;
Rom 3:24
24being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Rom 4:16
16Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
Rom 5:1-2
1Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:15
15But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
Gal 3:16
16Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ.
Rom 5:17-20
17For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
18Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.
20Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
Rom 5:21
21so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 15:14
14"You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
I Jn 2:4
4He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
I Jn 2:3
3Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
I Jn 5:3
3For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
(NKJ)
xxxGrace is uncilisted mercy. Grace is a new way thought up by God, we dont deserve it, we have not earned it, we didnt even think of it but God gave it to us-a new way the new testament. God looked down on us and said them dummies arent getting it I have to think of a new way. The new testament is our Grace. Now within the new testament there are commandments. Jesus brought us the new testament, this is how Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. Not knowing what the gift of grace was, so many are useing grace as an excuse to sin. Grace is not a way to justify sin, it is a better way to get rid of sin. The law of Christ is a new law. God explained that we didnt have nothing to do with His grace. It was His decision of sending Jesus with the new law.
John 15:13-14
13"Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.
14"You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
(NKJ)
Gal 6:2
2Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
(NKJ)
John 15:10
10"If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
(NKJ)
xxx God didnt do away with the idea of what He says is law, He just changed the law. And only for those who have faith in the new law.
Heb 7:12
12For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
(NKJ)
1 Cor 15:9-11
9For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
(NKJ)
Eph 2:8-9
8For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
9not of works, lest anyone should boast.
(NKJ)
Titus 2:11-13
11For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
12teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,
13looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
(NKJ)
Rom 5:16
16And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.
(NKJ)
Rom 5:1-4
1Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance;
4and perseverance, character; and character, hope.
(NKJ)
Eph 2:18-20
18For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
19Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
20having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone,
(NKJ)
Eph 3:12
12in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.
(NKJ)
Rom 2:11-13
11For there is no partiality with God.
12For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
13(for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
(NKJ)
I Jn 2:3-4
3Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
(NKJ)
xxx Gods grace sent us the new testament, new laws, new commandments, new covenant.
Grace = unmerited favor.
Grace = God giving us what we don't deserve.
Mercy = God not giving us what we do deserve.
Do you see the distinction between grave and mercy?
Squeaky, Satan quotes verses with no context. We see it in his attempted temptation of Jesus. I suggest that if you quote scripture, you also present the context of the entire passage surrounding it. God's word is not in a vacuum, it comes as a whole. Quoting a few sentences here and a few from there to act like you're teaching is not teaching. Instead it is an attempt to pridefully think you are winning an argument.
The point of your original post seems to be that you think determining a person's spiritual maturity can be measured by what a person does in a prescribed fashion. I believe scripture teaches that God brings us to maturity by individual paths all designed to bring glory to Jesus and his atoning work in redeeming us. We have been crucified with Christ, nevertheless we live, yet not us, but Christ lives within us. And the life we live in the flesh we live by faith in the Son of God who loves us and gave himself for us.
Let us live in the unbounded joy of our salvation. Let us encourage one another all the more while it is still light.
Peace
A lot of words and verses with no context. Let me make it really simple for you.
Grace = unmerited favor.
Grace = God giving us what we don't deserve.
Mercy = God not giving us what we do deserve.
Do you see the distinction between grave and mercy?
Squeaky, Satan quotes verses with no context. We see it in his attempted temptation of Jesus. I suggest that if you quote scripture, you also present the context of the entire passage surrounding it. God's word is not in a vacuum, it comes as a whole. Quoting a few sentences here and a few from there to act like you're teaching is not teaching. Instead it is an attempt to pridefully think you are winning an argument.
The point of your original post seems to be that you think determining a person's spiritual maturity can be measured by what a person does in a prescribed fashion. I believe scripture teaches that God brings us to maturity by individual paths all designed to bring glory to Jesus and his atoning work in redeeming us. We have been crucified with Christ, nevertheless we live, yet not us, but Christ lives within us. And the life we live in the flesh we live by faith in the Son of God who loves us and gave himself for us.
Let us live in the unbounded joy of our salvation. Let us encourage one another all the more while it is still light.
Peace
I said
let me make it simple for you. In Gods grace He sent us Jesus and the law of Christ. And God told Jesus everything to say and what laws to make. Who ever says that Jesus is their savior is a liar if they don't keep all of His commandments.
[1Jo 2:4
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[Jhn 14:15, 21
15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments. ...
21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
[Jhn 15:10
10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
I said
let me make it simple for you. In Gods grace He sent us Jesus and the law of Christ. And God told Jesus everything to say and what laws to make. Who ever says that Jesus is their savior is a liar if they don't keep all of His commandments.
[1Jo 2:4
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[Jhn 14:15, 21
15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments. ...
21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
[Jhn 15:10
10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
Thanks for clarifying. Based upon your comment, I can assure you that all humans including yourself will be spending eternity in hell. You and I, as well as every human, break God's law. This is why the wages of sin is death. All fall short of the glory of God. We are all doomed...if your teaching were true.
Thankfully, God had Paul write the letter to the Galatians to refute your misuse of John. If humans were bound under the law, as you claim, then Jesus sacrificial, atoning sacrifice would be in vain. We would be without hope. But, Jesus set us free from the law and its curse. We are no longer condemned. Failing to keep the law is no longer a burden because Christ has taken our burden and punishment. We live in glorious and joy abounding grace.
Your teaching is what Paul called anathema in Galatians. He asks why anyone, once being saved by grace, would go back to the law. The answer is that no Christian would do so. Only people who don't know Jesus as their Savior would go back to the law.
Now my heart feels bad for you, squeaky. It seems you may not know God's saving grace, based upon your own words. That would be a tragedy.
Thanks for clarifying. Based upon your comment, I can assure you that all humans including yourself will be spending eternity in hell. You and I, as well as every human, break God's law. This is why the wages of sin is death. All fall short of the glory of God. We are all doomed...if your teaching were true.
Thankfully, God had Paul write the letter to the Galatians to refute your misuse of John. If humans were bound under the law, as you claim, then Jesus sacrificial, atoning sacrifice would be in vain. We would be without hope. But, Jesus set us free from the law and its curse. We are no longer condemned. Failing to keep the law is no longer a burden because Christ has taken our burden and punishment. We live in glorious and joy abounding grace.
Your teaching is what Paul called anathema in Galatians. He asks why anyone, once being saved by grace, would go back to the law. The answer is that no Christian would do so. Only people who don't know Jesus as their Savior would go back to the law.
Now my heart feels bad for you, squeaky. It seems you may not know God's saving grace, based upon your own words. That would be a tragedy.
I said
You have a lot to learn. Grace is a law.
LAW OF GRACE
Gal 4:4-5
4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
Eph 3:2
2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,
(NKJ)Acts 20:32
32 "So now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
Rom 1:5-6
5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name,
6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;
Rom 3:24
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Rom 5:1-2
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:15
15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
Gal 3:16
16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ.Rom 5:17-20
17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
Rom 5:21
21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 15:14
14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
I Jn 2:4
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
I Jn 2:3
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
I Jn 5:3
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
(NKJ)
xxx Grace is a free gift. Grace is uncilisited mercy. A law is something that has to be, or will happen just the way God created it to be. God gave us a new way which is through Jesus Christ(new testament). Now within that grace there are commandments to obey. The grace is the new way(new testament) but the commandments are within the new testament that we must obey to receive this grace. Jesus isnt doing it for us now. Jesus done what was done to make the new way. And now we have to receive or obey the new way.
[Rom 8:7
7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
Nope. Grace is not a law.I said
You have a lot to learn. Grace is a law.
LAW OF GRACE
Gal 4:4-5
4But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
5to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
Eph 3:2
2if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,
(NKJ)Acts 20:32
32"So now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
Rom 1:5-6
5Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name,
6among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;
Rom 3:24
24being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Rom 5:1-2
1Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:15
15But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
Gal 3:16
16Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ.Rom 5:17-20
17For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
18Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.
20Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
Rom 5:21
21so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 15:14
14"You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
I Jn 2:4
4He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
I Jn 2:3
3Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
I Jn 5:3
3For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
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xxx Grace is a free gift. Grace is uncilisited mercy. A law is something that has to be, or will happen just the way God created it to be. God gave us a new way which is through Jesus Christ(new testament). Now within that grace there are commandments to obey. The grace is the new way(new testament) but the commandments are within the new testament that we must obey to receive this grace. Jesus isnt doing it for us now. Jesus done what was done to make the new way. And now we have to receive or obey the new way.
[Rom 8:7
7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
Grace = God giving to us what we don't deserve.
That's not a law.
I noticed that none of the verses you quote says that grace is a law.
Perhaps you disagree with grace and wish to be justified by the law.
Nope. Grace is not a law.
Grace = God giving to us what we don't deserve.
That's not a law.
I noticed that none of the verses you quote says that grace is a law.
Perhaps you disagree with grace and wish to be justified by the law.
I said
I'm sharing the revelations of Jesus Christ. I went through the three years of the milk understanding and the eleven years of the meat understanding. Then I have received over 3000 of these revelations from Jesus. Now by the grace of God He sent Jesus and Jesus gave us the law of Christ. did that help you.
[Gal 6:2
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
And in the law of Christ He gave us many commandments.
[Jhn 15:14, 17
14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. ...
17 "These things I command you, that you love one another.
And anyone who says Jesus is their savior is a liar if they don't keep Jesus' commandments.
[1Jo 2:4
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Ah...so you imagine yourself to be a prophet that God speaks to and gives you special insight? You know, one wrong statement means you are a false prophet. Since you spoke incorrectly about grace, should I therefore conclude you are a false prophet? Do you know what the penalty for being a false prophet is under the law?I said
I'm sharing the revelations of Jesus Christ. I went through the three years of the milk understanding and the eleven years of the meat understanding. Then I have received over 3000 of these revelations from Jesus. Now by the grace of God He sent Jesus and Jesus gave us the law of Christ. did that help you.
[Gal 6:2
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
And in the law of Christ He gave us many commandments.
[Jhn 15:14, 17
14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. ...
17 "These things I command you, that you love one another.
And anyone who says Jesus is their savior is a liar if they don't keep Jesus' commandments.
[1Jo 2:4
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Have you ever considered that your revelations come from demons and not God?
Ah...so you imagine yourself to be a prophet that God speaks to and gives you special insight? You know, one wrong statement means you are a false prophet. Since you spoke incorrectly about grace, should I therefore conclude you are a false prophet? Do you know what the penalty for being a false prophet is under the law?
Have you ever considered that your revelations come from demons and not God?
I said
lol I know what I said about grace and I am right. It seems your emotions are aroused.
No abused emotions. I read what you said. You said that "grace is a law." You are wrong. Scripture says you are wrong.I said
lol I know what I said about grace and I am right. It seems your emotions are aroused.
No abused emotions. I read what you said. You said that "grace is a law." You are wrong. Scripture says you are wrong.
I said
Well I showed you scripture saying it was. So if you have scripture saying it isn't lets share it and see what we come up with.
You posted scripture. Not one of those verses say that grace is a law.I said
Well I showed you scripture saying it was. So if you have scripture saying it isn't lets share it and see what we come up with.
You posted scripture. Not one of those verses say that grace is a law.
I said
Have you ever seen the revelations of Jesus Christ before? Your still in the milk understanding. These revelations are the meat understanding. Look down the board and find the revelation on "The Basics of scripture" and read it first.
I said
Have you ever seen the revelations of Jesus Christ before? Your still in the milk understanding. These revelations are the meat understanding. Look down the board and find the revelation on "The Basics of scripture" and read it first.
Have I read the Revelation of Jesus? Not plural by the way. Just one revelation, given to John the Apostle. Yes, I have read it.
I like to eat meat and wash it down with milk. Sometimes I read the Bible while eating meat.
You make me laugh, squeaky. So much pride in your statement above. You imagine you have some special maturity that no one else has. It seems to be your exit strategy when a person shows you that you are wrong.
I am grateful you are reading God's word. God can change our hearts when we read His word. He has given me abundant joy in Christ so that I can be assured that there is no condemnation for me, because I am found in Christ.
Are you resting in Christ, squeaky, or are you still attempting to work your way to God?
popsthebuilder
New member
Not trying to distract you, but I am genuinely curious on your take on the law of the Spirit and it's importance to the uhm.....elect.Nope. Grace is not a law.
Grace = God giving to us what we don't deserve.
That's not a law.
I noticed that none of the verses you quote says that grace is a law.
Perhaps you disagree with grace and wish to be justified by the law.
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