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MennoSota said:
Have I read the Revelation of Jesus? Not plural by the way. Just one revelation, given to John the Apostle. Yes, I have read it.
I like to eat meat and wash it down with milk. Sometimes I read the Bible while eating meat.
You make me laugh, squeaky. So much pride in your statement above. You imagine you have some special maturity that no one else has. It seems to be your exit strategy when a person shows you that you are wrong.
I am grateful you are reading God's word. God can change our hearts when we read His word. He has given me abundant joy in Christ so that I can be assured that there is no condemnation for me, because I am found in Christ.
Are you resting in Christ, squeaky, or are you still attempting to work your way to God?
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I put you up revelations on the milk understanding and the meat understanding. The meat understanding is done with all verses. The milk is done with human wisdom.
 
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I put you up revelations on the milk understanding and the meat understanding. The meat understanding is done with all verses. The milk is done with human wisdom.
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Squeaky, God the Holy Spirit counsel's us using the entire Bible. Verses are a man-made reading devise from the early ages of the printing press. If you wish to understand, you will need to read the whole, not just the parts you like.
Second, you are not sharing meat. You are just copying and pasting. While I thank you for the verses, you have yet to establish that you know what they mean. Remember, Paul took hours and hours to teach from God's word. Has God given you the gift of teaching?
Perhaps you don't see the pride in yourself. We all have blind spots.
 
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MennoSota said:
Squeaky, God the Holy Spirit counsel's us using the entire Bible. Verses are a man-made reading devise from the early ages of the printing press. If you wish to understand, you will need to read the whole, not just the parts you like.
Second, you are not sharing meat. You are just copying and pasting. While I thank you for the verses, you have yet to establish that you know what they mean. Remember, Paul took hours and hours to teach from God's word. Has God given you the gift of teaching?
Perhaps you don't see the pride in yourself. We all have blind spots.
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Your in the milk understanding, that is obvious. If you cant explain with the Word of God, then you haven't got the Word abiding in you. Your using theology, and theology is spiritual theory, and theory is guessing. Your just guessing.
 
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Your in the milk understanding, that is obvious. If you cant explain with the Word of God, then you haven't got the Word abiding in you. Your using theology, and theology is spiritual theory, and theory is guessing. Your just guessing.
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LOL, dude you have no clue where I am at in my journey with God. Your foolish claim of milk stage verses meat stage tells me you are a babe in Christ who zealously wants to live by rules and laws rather than by grace and faith.
I have shared Romans 8 with you regarding the spiritual position that all whom God elects to save, find themselves.
There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. This means...you ain't got a clue, son.
 
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LOL, dude you have no clue where I am at in my journey with God. Your foolish claim of milk stage verses meat stage tells me you are a babe in Christ who zealously wants to live by rules and laws rather than by grace and faith.
I have shared Romans 8 with you regarding the spiritual position that all whom God elects to save, find themselves.
There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. This means...you ain't got a clue, son.
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lol What you shared was a piece of the truth. Let me show you the whole truth. Your not in Jesus Christ until your receiving the revelations of Jesus Christ. Your not walking according to the Spirit until your receiving verses to guide you. Like I am doing. Your delusional. And deceived.

[Rom 8:1-2
1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
 
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Squeaky said:
. Your not in Jesus Christ until your receiving the revelations of Jesus Christ.
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What you stated above is not supported by the Bible. The Bible itself is God's revelation.
The Bible tells us that we are in Christ when he adopts us. (Read Ephesians 1 as well as Romans 8:31-39)
Your not walking according to the Spirit until your receiving verses to guide you.
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The whole Bible guides me from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22. Do you imagine that no one but you has access to God's word and receives it? Do you not know that "The word of God is living and active, sharper than any two edged sword, piercing to to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart."? (Hebrews 4:12)
Squeaky, you are showing your immaturity and lack of understanding.
 
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MennoSota said:
What you stated above is not supported by the Bible. The Bible itself is God's revelation.
The Bible tells us that we are in Christ when he adopts us. (Read Ephesians 1 as well as Romans 8:31-39)

The whole Bible guides me from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22. Do you imagine that no one but you has access to God's word and receives it? Do you not know that "The word of God is living and active, sharper than any two edged sword, piercing to to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart."? (Hebrews 4:12)
Squeaky, you are showing your immaturity and lack of understanding.
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your not adopted until your born again, your not born again until you come to the revelations of Jesus Christ. And the revelations of Jesus Christ that I share, you reject.
 
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Squeaky said:
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your not adopted until your born again, your not born again until you come to the revelations of Jesus Christ. And the revelations of Jesus Christ that I share, you reject.
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You're wrong. Read Ephesians 1:3-14
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
 
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MennoSota said:
You're wrong. Read Ephesians 1:3-14
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ
with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
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If you are In Christ that is all true.
 
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If you are In Christ that is all true.
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Re-Read Ephesians 1:3-14

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

What do these verses specifically say about adoption?
When were people chosen by God?
Perhaps you would like to reconsider what you said earlier about "revelations"?
 
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MennoSota said:
Re-Read Ephesians 1:3-14

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ

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That is true IF we are in Christ. You should study some of the IFs in scripture.

ONLY CHRISTIANS IF? ONLY LOVED IF? IF IS A CONDITION

Heb 3:5-6
5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward,
6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are IF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
Eph 4:21
21 IF indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus:
John 6:29
29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."
Matt 11:27
27 "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
1 Pet 4:17-18
17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and IF it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?
18 Now "IF the righteous one is scarcely saved, where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?"
Heb 3:14
14 For we have become partakers of Christ IF we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,
I Jn 1:8-10
8 IF we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 IF we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
2 Cor 10:3-5
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
I Jn 2:4-5
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
John 15:10
10 "IF you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
John 15:14
14 "You are My friends IF you do whatever I command you.
I Jn 2:3
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, IF we keep His commandments.
Matt 6:14-15
14 "For IF you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 "But IF you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
I Jn 5:3-4
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-- our faith.
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: IF anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and IF anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Matt 28:20
20 "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
(NKJ)Col 1:23
23 IF indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
(NKJ)
xxx The IF's in the Word of God are conditions of love. There is no such thing as unconditional love. God says He will(not is) but will be a Father to us. If has always been one of the biggest conditions for love in God. God will love you IF.



2 Cor 6:14-18
14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?
16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their God, and they shall be My people."
17 Therefore "Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you."
18 "I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."
(NKJ)


2 Pet 1:5-10
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge,
6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness,
7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love.
8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;
(NKJ)


Gal 3:29
29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(NKJ)

Gal 5:24-25
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
(NKJ)

John 15:7
7 "If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
(NKJ)


John 14:15
15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments.
(NKJ)

John 15:10
10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
(NKJ)


Heb 8:6-7
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
(NKJ)


John 6:65
65 And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."
(NKJ)

Luke 13:3
3 "I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.
(NKJ)

Luke 13:5
5 "I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish."
(NKJ)
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Squeaky said:
MennoSota said:
Re-Read Ephesians 1:3-14

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ

I said
That is true IF we are in Christ. You should study some of the IFs in scripture.

ONLY CHRISTIANS IF? ONLY LOVED IF? IF IS A CONDITION

Heb 3:5-6
5And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward,
6but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are IF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
Eph 4:21
21IF indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus:
John 6:29
29Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."
Matt 11:27
27"All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
1 Pet 4:17-18
17For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and IF it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?
18Now "IF the righteous one is scarcely saved, where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?"
Heb 3:14
14For we have become partakers of Christ IF we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,
I Jn 1:8-10
8IF we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10IF we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
2 Cor 10:3-5
3For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
4For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
I Jn 2:4-5
4He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
John 15:10
10"IF you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
John 15:14
14"You are My friends IF you do whatever I command you.
I Jn 2:3
3Now by this we know that we know Him, IF we keep His commandments.
Matt 6:14-15
14"For IF you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15"But IF you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
I Jn 5:3-4
3For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
4For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-- our faith.
Rev 22:18-19
18For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: IF anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19and IF anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Matt 28:20
20"teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
(NKJ)Col 1:23
23IF indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
(NKJ)
xxx The IF's in the Word of God are conditions of love. There is no such thing as unconditional love. God says He will(not is) but will be a Father to us. If has always been one of the biggest conditions for love in God. God will love you IF.



2 Cor 6:14-18
14Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
15And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?
16And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their God, and they shall be My people."
17Therefore "Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you."
18"I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."
(NKJ)


2 Pet 1:5-10
5But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge,
6to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness,
7to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love.
8For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;
(NKJ)


Gal 3:29
29And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(NKJ)

Gal 5:24-25
24And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
(NKJ)

John 15:7
7"If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
(NKJ)


John 14:15
15"If you love Me, keep My commandments.
(NKJ)

John 15:10
10"If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
(NKJ)


Heb 8:6-7
6But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
(NKJ)


John 6:65
65And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."
(NKJ)

Luke 13:3
3"I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.
(NKJ)

Luke 13:5
5"I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish."
(NKJ)
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There is no "if" with God. He has chosen from before the foundation of the world. He gives his children faith through His gracious choice in making us alive. (Ephesians 2:1-10)
No law needed, sneaky.
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MennoSota said:
Squeaky said:
There is no if. When God makes you alive in Christ there is life. No law needed.
I can see you are trying to extricate yourself from your mistake. I will let you remain there...if...you so wish. [emoji41]
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you seem to have a strong spirit of denial. Get your bible out and look up everyone of them verses I posted and see if they are word for word out of the NKJV bible. If they are they are from God.
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