How will 2P2P's Jews get to the millenium? Will they believe the Gospel?

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But the so-called "Abrahamic" turned out to be the 'new' manifested in advance. That is what Gal 3:8-9 is about. that is why Rom 4, 9, Gal 3 talk about how people (including Gentiles) are actually Abramah's seed because it happens through Christ. Christ was the Seed and was the Covenant's 2nd person ON OUR BEHALF. You have no idea what that concept is.
 
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Since 2P2P (MAD, D'ism) has worked out that there will be a Davidic theocracy from Jerusalem
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Isaiah 9

6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of His government and peace There will be no end, Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, To order it and establish it with judgment and justice From that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Well, this is fun.

Acts 2

29 “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne,

And from there Peter, full of the Holy Spirit, speaking on absolute authority from God, condemns their behavior and works.

on earth operated by "chosen" people,
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Matthew 19

28 So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


Well this is fun.
 
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Nope, the promise (for some people) came in the form of the new covenant.
The two covenants are the Abrahamic and the Old.
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Go ahead, but it is not what the NT says. You are own your own limb. The new covenant already existed although it was not enacted, because the old was to prepare for it (Gal 4). You need to dislodge your 2P2P thoughts. It was eternal. It was the lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world.
 
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It precedes the Aaronic priesthood because Christ was made one forever AFTER THE ORDER OF 'THE KING OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.' Which is the title that the 'new' covenant of jer 31 RE-announces.

It is the eternal covenant in Heb 13.

I'm off to work. Time's up.
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I WILL MAKE....

The two covenants in Galatians are the Abrahamic and the Old.
 
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Go ahead, but it is not what the NT says. You are own your own limb. The new covenant already existed although it was not enacted, because the old was to prepare for it (Gal 4). You need to dislodge your 2P2P thoughts. It was eternal. It was the lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world.
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Rev 13:8 (KJV)

From the foundation of the world.
 
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But the so-called "Abrahamic" turned out to be the 'new' manifested in advance. That is what Gal 3:8-9 is about. that is why Rom 4, 9, Gal 3 talk about how people (including Gentiles) are actually Abramah's seed because it happens through Christ. Christ was the Seed and was the Covenant's 2nd person ON OUR BEHALF. You have no idea what that concept is.
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Is God powerful enough to save you apart from any covenant?
 
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Is God powerful enough to save you apart from any covenant?
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The question is irrelevant. You are trying to displace the true meaning of the "new" covenant, to keep 2P2P alive.

The problem with 2P2P is that there is no need for a 2nd program anymore. There is no need, because it was the child-trainer/governess stage of spiritual life for believers. There is no need because God always was going to make Christ a priest/mediator in the 'order' of THE LORD/KING OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. There is no need because Christ was the other party of the covenant, and acted as a representative for us, as Adam did negatively, Rom 5B. There is no need because there are no NT 'end of time' passages that hinge on events in Israel.

2P2P has no roots, no place, any more.

Some people think it is needed to 'prove' God. Yet it still does not come down to the land promise. God is proved by a number of things. This week I heard excellent geologic proof for Noah's global deluge and this exists to this day; there is no theological confusion to sort through to access it. God is not a liar because of a change of covenant, or priesthood or 'land promise.' And the NT corrects the land promise to how it would be true in Christ anyway; he is the Sabbath-rest of which the arrival in Canaan was a shadow and picture.
 
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The question is irrelevant. You are trying to displace the true meaning of the "new" covenant, to keep 2P2P alive.

The problem with 2P2P is that there is no need for a 2nd program anymore. There is no need, because it was the child-trainer/governess stage of spiritual life for believers. There is no need because God always was going to make Christ a priest/mediator in the 'order' of THE LORD/KING OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. There is no need because Christ was the other party of the covenant, and acted as a representative for us, as Adam did negatively, Rom 5B. There is no need because there are no NT 'end of time' passages that hinge on events in Israel.

2P2P has no roots, no place, any more.

Some people think it is needed to 'prove' God. Yet it still does not come down to the land promise. God is proved by a number of things. This week I heard excellent geologic proof for Noah's global deluge and this exists to this day; there is no theological confusion to sort through to access it. God is not a liar because of a change of covenant, or priesthood or 'land promise.' And the NT corrects the land promise to how it would be true in Christ anyway; he is the Sabbath-rest of which the arrival in Canaan was a shadow and picture.
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The question IS relevant, your non-answer is noted.
 
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How will 2P2P's Jews get to the millenium? Will they believe the Gospel?

How?

Same as every one else - on the soooooouuuuuul train!

Featuring Don Cornelius and The Italian Band.

With King David and The Soul Train Dancers.

"People all over the world - the soooooouuuuul train!"

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SaulToPaul said:
Sure there is.

The Kingdom needs:

1. The earth ruled (by Israel)
2. The Israel ruled (by the Kings and Priests in the City)
3. And the angels ruled (by the Body of Christ in the heavens)

Accept it. Quit mixing them and making a mockery of God's plan.
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This is all total ignorance. It won't be like this at all, even if it is written as clean as a 3 layered pudding for dessert.

It is not based on what is actually there in Acts 2 about David , nor from Acts 13. You cute little system is made up and is not in the NT.

You don't know what is going on with the 'graduating' from the child-trainer to maturity in Colossians, Galatians and Hebrews.

You don't know what moving from shadow/copy to Reality is about.

So you go back to Judaism, which the apostles do not. You go the opposite direction of Acts 26 and what he says there.

You can't explain what would possibly create conflict with Judaism because you don't really know what it is saying about David's throne, which is maybe more clear in Acts 13 than in ch 2.
 
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Then there's the real HEAVYWEIGHT intellect of Danoh, declaring things Satanic! Always a winner! Do a victory lap and then learn what the question is.

If the accumulative promise was the resurrection of Christ, launching the mission and kingdom of Christ, 2P2P says that is not the plain meaning of the text! Not because of the text, but because of the infection of 2P2P, which is muck and fraud.
 
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