Gee whiz, Clete. Admit when you are wrong.
I am not wrong. I stand by every syllable. You want to apply general truths like those found throughout the book of proverbs to every specific case, which is an error by anyone's standard.
It might not be the version you use, but that was the quote! 0.o What does 2 Timothy 3:15 say in your version? \
That was supposed to be a quote? You need a new bible!
Your version....
Proverbs 2:6
All wisdom comes from the Lord,
and so do common sense
and understanding.
What the bible actually says....
Proverbs 2:6 For the Lord gives wisdom;
From His mouth
come knowledge and understanding;
Seriously, Lon. Whatever it is you quoted is very poor. It's hard to tell from a single verse, of course, but what you quoted reads more like a paraphrase than a translation. The word "all" is not in the original and neither is the concept of "common sense". In short, quoting an interpretation of the verse, doesn't count as quoting the verse. And make no mistake, whatever it is you quoted was an interpretation, not a translation, to the point that I didn't even recognize it as a quotation and took it to be just you stating what you thought the verse could be used to teach.
I'm still pretty set on a lot of disagreements on TOL being often over the English language translations of Scripture.
That was not a proper English sentence.
What is it you disagree with?
On point: I agree man's wisdom is a misnomer, I was quoting the scripture 'in agreement' not as a counterpoint, but your stance is still confusing. Is there wisdom besides God's?
What does "God's wisdom" mean other than just "wisdom"?
There isn't a store house in heaven full of wisdom that God owns and doles out to people and there are countless people all over the planet that have nothing to do with the bible or Christianity who have a measure of wisdom. Ayn Rand, since we've already brought her up a few times, was ultimately a fool for having rejected God but in spite of that you'd likely agree with most of what she said about a whole variety of topics including politics, ethics and epistemology. That's because she did use sound reason to a very great degree. Her errors came almost entirely from a single false premise that she believed was true; the premise that says there is no God. As such, she was an atheist that very consistently borrowed from the Christian worldview. She was a fool that developed the most biblically sound philosophy that any atheist could write and from whom many Christians could learn a great deal about not just the various issues she address but how to think properly.
You could say something similar about Aristotle except not as widely applied. In actual fact, most of what Aristotle taught was false, much of it was goofy even. However, there is one thing that he wrote that is so astoundingly true and staggeringly profound that it causes all his other nonsense to fall away into deep shadow and elevates him to being one of the most important persons in the whole history of philosophy. That one thing being the laws of reason....
The law of identity: What is, is.
The law of excluded middle. A truth claim is either true or it false.
The law of contradiction. Any two truth claims that contradict cannot both be true.
Now, whether you want to acknowledge as such or not, there IS wisdom there! Indeed, the proof of its wisdom is that it is entirely consistent with scripture. And maybe that's what you mean by "God's wisdom", that every true thing is consistent with God's word, but that's just another way of saying that God's word is true. If a=b and b=c then a=c. What is true is true! What is, is! A is A! That's the law of identity and the bible (See Exodus 3:14, Proverbs 8:7-8, Proverbs 30:5 and Matthew 5:37), but I can assure you that Aristotle did not get that 10,000 carat flawless gem of wisdom from God, except in a generalized sense (i.e. Romans 1:20).
Explain please because you seem to state just above what appears agreement.
Well, I think we do agree here more than we disagree and that most of the confusion has been birthed by your applying generalities as though they are universal laws. All good things come from God, generally speaking, but that doesn't mean that Ayn Rand never did or said anything that was good, nor does it mean that whatever she said or did that was good, was specifically given to her by God.
Could you also nail down your entrance concerns in this conversation?
Nail down my what?
Ask me a specific question and I'll answer it.
At times past I've written you off but have found if I stick with you, you can make pertinent points and worth digging for those. I've come to appreciate you regardless of our disagreements. In Him -Lon
Well, if I can say so without causing offense, in my view, you swing wildly back and forth from being sensible and cogent to being stubbornly nonsensical and incoherent. It goes from feeling like I'm talking to a regular human being to feeling as though I'm talking to Raymond Babbitt. That's an exaggeration, obviously, but it's just about that frustrating!
I have no doubt, however, that you are a saved brother in Christ and so I have to sometimes just put you on ignore for a while to prevent creating a needless enemy, which is at least as much about me as it is you, by the way. You do spend far less time on ignore than on it!
Yes. We agree and good expiation!