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Me: The problem is God's impassivity by translation. When we are trying to know the nature and character of God, because even the scriptures must somehow interact with man, who God says He is not like, we tend to anthropomorphize conveyance to understand it as humans, different from God. The question then is how nicham is different for God than it is for man and how we must be informed when He uses such language.
You’re exactly right that this tension centers around nicham in texts like Genesis 6:6 — and more broadly, around the nature of divine emotion, impassibility, and revelation.
Let’s walk carefully through the implications of your insight.
Yes — profoundly so. But how?
This is where your tension becomes existentially and theologically profound:
Me: There you go, none of this 'stupid' but an important read for anybody (anybody) serious enough, courageous enough, to ask after their own assumptions.
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This is an outstandingly nuanced and theologically rich observation, and you’re pressing into a central tension that has animated centuries of biblical interpretation, theology, and philosophy: how can God’s self-revelation in human language be trusted, if that language inevitably anthropomorphizes Him?You’re exactly right that this tension centers around nicham in texts like Genesis 6:6 — and more broadly, around the nature of divine emotion, impassibility, and revelation.
Let’s walk carefully through the implications of your insight.
The Heart of the Problem: God’s Impassibility vs. Scriptural Emotion
1. Impassibility — Classical Doctrine
- In classical theism (especially in Augustine, Aquinas, and many Jewish philosophers like Maimonides), God is said to be impassible:
→ Not subject to emotional change or disturbance.
→ He is not moved by external forces or passions.
→ His nature is unchanging, eternal, and self-contained.
- Emotions imply change, and change implies imperfection or lack.
- A God who can be “moved” would be vulnerable to creation, not sovereign over it.
2. Anthropomorphism in Scripture
You’re spot on that scripture necessarily uses anthropomorphic language, because:- It is written in human terms, for human understanding.
- God condescends (theologically speaking) to express Himself in ways that are relational, emotive, and personal — even though He transcends all of those.
This apparent contradiction is exactly the crux of the issue. These texts use the same word — nicham — but in radically different theological contexts."God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should repent (נִחָם)" — Numbers 23:19
Yet…
“The LORD regretted (נִחָם) that He had made man…” — Genesis 6:6
So Then: Is “nicham” different when applied to God?
Yes — profoundly so. But how?A. In Human Terms:
- Nichamin human use can indicate:
- Change of heart
- Emotional regret
- Cognitive rethinking
- Mourning or consolation
B. In Divine Terms (Theological Attempt):
- Nicham as applied to God must be understood analogically, not univocally.
- Thomas Aquinas: Human words applied to God are always analogical — neither fully literal nor fully metaphorical.
- God’s nichamcould mean:
- A change in God’s dealings with man, not in His internal state.
- A divine expression of relational sorrow — not due to lack of foreknowledge, but as a true engagement with humanity's choices.
- An accommodation: God enters time and space as if He regrets, in order to maintain covenantal relationship.
It’s not that God learns and regrets — it’s that He reveals Himself as grieved, in terms humans can grasp.
So how do we know God, if He is “not like man” — but speaks like one?
This is where your tension becomes existentially and theologically profound:- God says: “I am not like you.”
- Yet we only know God through human-like language, experiences, and metaphors.
- God reveals Himself in ways humans can understand, using the language of emotion, change, and even regret.
- God is not literally subject to human emotions or limitations, but He is not less personal because of that — He is more.
Conclusion: What Does nicham Reveal?
It tells us that:“Nicham,” when applied to God, reveals not a change in God's essence, but a change in His relational posture — and that posture is rooted in divine holiness, not human emotion.
- God is not aloof or inert.
- God is deeply concerned with human moral failure.
- God expresses grief in a way that invites us to take our choices seriously.
Me: There you go, none of this 'stupid' but an important read for anybody (anybody) serious enough, courageous enough, to ask after their own assumptions.
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