popsthebuilder
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Testy....to ask you to support your claim with scripture....I forgot who I was asking ma'am.
Sorry
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HOW TO GET TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE
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glorydaz
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Obey the magistrates....the laws of the land.
The good work of preaching the gospel to the lost like you.
popsthebuilder
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Bit I thought we needn't do any good works?
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glorydaz
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Don't apologize when you aren't sorry. That's LYING.
I asked you to support your claim with scripture and you posted a bunch of verses that didn't even use the word Spirit even though you claimed Jesus taught the law of the Spirit.
So, Mr. Pretender, do not demand of me what you cannot provide yourself. That makes you a hypocrite.
glorydaz
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We don't.
popsthebuilder
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You out right denied what Jeremiah said though Paul said it too for exactly the reason I said..
You would think you would have caught that but I guess you have some other agenda then spreading the good news since that is a good work...
And another one is exposed.
Same thread same day...same will fill ignorance of simple biblical truth in favor of ease in this life and conflating belief with words spoken only.....
Check a yo doctrine lady; isa no bueno!
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popsthebuilder
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Good night.
peace
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marhig
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No, I do agree with those verses, I never once said I don't, I just don't agree with your interpretation of them. You don't seem to see that God was in his fullness in Jesus Christ, Isaiah says about Jesus that he didn't judge after the seeing of his eyes and he didn't didn't reprove after the hearing of his ears, and Isaiah also says elsewhere that his voice was not heard in the streets. Because Jesus only heard God, saw God and his judgement was just, and he only spoke God and judged by the word that the father gave to him to speak, and obeyed all the commandments that the father gave to him and he didn't live by his own will, but by the will of God completely.
And so God gave Christ Jesus the Spirit without measure, giving him power over all flesh, thus God was with us in his fullness through Christ Jesus. Because Jesus Christ was in his express image, Jesus was dead to self, dead to the flesh and we only saw God in and through him. As I said before, it says in the Bible that God was in Jesus Christ, reconciling the world unto himself. Jesus isn't God, but he was the fullness of God bodily having the full power of the Holy Spirit because he lived completely by the will of God. And we are given the Spirit in measure, the more we live by God's will and obey him, the stronger we become in the Spirit through Christ Jesus.
And as I keep saying, I don't believe that Jesus is God, because Jesus quite clearly tells us who God is, the father. So why shouldn't I believe what Jesus clearly says when he says that the father is the only true God, and that he is his God? Because according to Jesus, the father is also his God and father. Even the apostles say that God is the God and father of Jesus, so why shouldn't I believe them and Christ Jesus himself?
Why shouldn't I believe all those verses GD? You're so fixated with you false Trinitarian beliefs that you can't see the truth even when it is clearly shown you, Jesus clearly says that the father is the only true God, and that he is his God, so why shouldn't I believe him?
glorydaz
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You didn't understand your quote in Jeremiah, did you? Nor do you understand that what Paul preached does not mirror Jer. 31 exactly, but is but a taste of what would come in the end days for the Jews.
If this is what Paul spoke of for his day, why are we given teachers in the church ("they shall teach no more every man his neighbour"), and why are we to preach the Gospel ("they shall all know me")
Jer. 31:31-34 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
I don't expect you to read much less comprehend the difference, but I'll put it out there for other believers to discuss if they wish. Paul writes about the future kingdom on earth for the Jews, so others will be able to engage.
Romans 11:25-27 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Check your doctrine, pops. Or, better yet, examine yourself whether you be in the faith.
popsthebuilder
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Wow....what hoops you will jump through to void the simple plain truthful words of scripture.
Jeremiah knew both that the world would be reconciled and the manner to which it would be carried out; namely the Messiah.....but Jesus didn't know it or teach it....but Paul did......
I knew I should have went to bed....what a waste of precious scripture and faith.
It's okay...we still have time.
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drbrumley
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Is this GodsTruth and Meshaks church?
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| This was posted in the Other Religions forum some time ago by someone who had visited one of the Churches of Christ. The Rules & Pattern of the Church of Christ 1 It must be noted immediately that this list is not to be construed as a written creed. No statement of beliefs or rules outside the Bible itself is permitted. However, it will be permitted that such lists of beliefs or rules shall be allowed if written in a church bulletin or other published material provided that such is clearly designated as not being a written creed. This list is here shared merely as a convenience and with the understanding that there is really no need for such since all these rules are to be found in a clear and unmistakable form scattered throughout the pages of the collected books of the New Testament. It is also to be believed that anyone who truly loves God and the truth will easily find these exact rules and consequently obey. 2 By Scriptural definition (and for the purpose of applying these rules), a Christian is one who has done the following five acts of salvation (and in this order): hear, believe, repent, confess (a “Yes” response to the question “Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God?” shall be construed as a valid confession), and be baptized. Of the several purposes and benefits of baptism, one must know that baptism is “for the remission of sins” in order for God to consider it a valid baptism. 3 A person who has completed the above five acts of salvation, but who comes to doubt the validity of their baptism (perhaps later thinking that he/she did not fully understand the primary purpose), shall be baptized again. One of the following scenarios must be adopted: 1) that the entire previous life of the person in question shall be considered as one outside of Christ and separated from God, thus only now becoming a new child of God; or, 2) that the person in question is being rebaptized “just in case”. In this instance, it shall be assumed that the person is doing so with the knowledge that baptism is generally “for the remission of sins”, even though he/she has may not be sure if such cleansing is really needed. Regardless, any rebaptism shall be preceded with the standard ritual of confession (one’s previous life as an apparent believing Christian shall not suffice as meeting this requirement). 4 The Bible shall be considered as the standard of authority for every spiritual matter. It shall be interpreted using the approved method of “command, example, and necessary inference”. Silence of the Scriptures on any matter is to be construed as a forbiddance of such. However, this rule shall not be applied to matters considered to be helpful in obeying any other commands (such as church buildings and their necessary furnishings, etc.). 5 Congregations shall name themselves according to the following guidelines: 1) the name shall be one that is found in Scripture and has within it the name of God or Christ (it shall be permitted that Paul’s use of the term “churches of Christ” in referring to various congregations may be used as a formal name and amended to “Church of Christ”); and, 2) the name may be preceded with a location description, that being the location of the church building, not necessarily the location of the church itself. 6 All those congregations who use the same generic name (excluding the location part of the name) and uniformly subscribe to these rules shall be considered as “the brotherhood”; no other Christian (one who has believed and been baptized but does not subscribe to one or more of these rules) shall be considered as being a part of “the brotherhood”. 7 Individual members of the church may be called by several different names that are found in Scripture (“disciples”, “saints”, “children of God”), but “Christian” is the preferred designation. 8 The church shall gather every first day of the week for worship. (Note: Most calendars have Sunday as the first day of the week. Cultures whose calendars are different will have to decide whether to observe Sunday or their first day of the week; no further help here is given in making that decision.) 9 The worship service shall consist of the following five acts of worship: praying, singing, giving, partaking of the Lord’s Supper, and preaching. The reading of Scripture shall also be considered as acceptable since it relates to preaching. No other acts (such as lighting candles, dramatic presentations or readings, etc.) shall be allowed in the service other than the following exceptions: making of announcements, recognizing of families who wish to place membership with the congregation, giving of Bibles to graduates or other special people, or other such special activities that shall be deemed as appropriate for the worship service. 10 It is permissible for congregations to have salaried preachers and other paid employees (such as youth ministers, education ministers, secretaries, janitors, etc.). |
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glorydaz
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There is nothing to interpret. :doh:
Jesus said He was before Abraham. The Jews knew what he was saying, but you insist on explaining it away. BECAUSE you cannot say what you don't believe to be true. The Jews took up stones, and you think you know more than Jesus and the Jews did. :nono:
Instead of all your "religious" mumbo jumbo, address this text....as it's written.
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
John 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
John 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
marhig
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Those who preach the gospel and don't live by it are false teachers. We are to be doers of the word not just hearers only.
And those who live by the will of God, are never lost!
Those who are lost are those who still love the flesh before God and put the things of this world before him. Building up in this world and living by and loving the works of the flesh, being tossed to and fro by Satan as they profess to know God but don't live it out, loving their lives and putting themselves first. False witnesses who twist the scriptures to suit their false beliefs that suit man instead of God, denying Christ and the father by loving their flesh before them. Anyone who teaches that we don't have to live by the will of God and do his works, isn't speaking the truth. No denomination is the truth, only Christ Jesus is the truth and he is the life, and his way is the only way back to God.
The works aren't just speaking it, but living it out too. True love is love in action and those who do the works of God speak and live by his word, these are those who do the true works of God as he changes their hearts to be more like that of Christ Jesus and they will bring forth the fruit of the Spirit.
Those who have true faith, and who truly love God, live by his will.
marhig
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Who said that I don't believe that Jesus was before Abraham?
marhig
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What questions?
glorydaz
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Until Jesus went to the cross and rose from the dead, the Gospel of Salvation by Grace was not revealed...JESUS REVEALED IT TO PAUL. So your statement in yellow is total garbage.
Acts 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
Jesus, Himself, gave Paul his Gospel, and it's the way to salvation that you have not yet received. So scoff away, oh carnal man. I have no pity for you. May the Lord...
glorydaz
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Ah, you're trying to backtrack.
Let's hear how that came about since you deny Jesus is God come in the flesh.
marhig
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What on earth are you talking about? Why wouldn't Christ be before Abraham? Christ was in Abraham!
glorydaz
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Those who have been begotten by the Gospel are saved, and have been created IN CHRIST JESUS. So, save your "false teachers" charge for those, like you, who preach a false gospel of works.
Those in Christ and who live by faith NEVER boast of what they do. Which is why you people give yourself room to make false charges against us. If we boasted like you, then we'd be workers like you...trusting in our own doing instead of the Lord.
drbrumley
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Huh?
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