HOW TO GET TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE

[drbrumley]

No anger here friend; and a willingness to learn.

We shall see

But I will not accept nonsense as logic or deciet and falsehood as truth.

back to "but you're not interested in what we have to say. It's automatically wrong based on your faith you hold to. To that end, it becomes unprofitable."

Thankfully we have ways to test these things.

Exactly....

peace

Peace.

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[popsthebuilder]

We shall see



back to "but you're not interested in what we have to say. It's automatically wrong based on your faith you hold to. To that end, it becomes unprofitable."



Exactly....



Peace.

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[/QUOTE]No sir.

back to "but you're not interested in what we have to say. It's automatically wrong based on your faith you hold to. To that end, it becomes unprofitable."


We have ways to test, and I am plyable....and not mad....

what is it you think I need to learn? Let us learn together and support one another....

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[popsthebuilder]

We shall see



back to "but you're not interested in what we have to say. It's automatically wrong based on your faith you hold to. To that end, it becomes unprofitable."



Exactly....



Peace.

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[/QUOTE]Oh....I momentarily forgot that we actually seem to be in agreement.
I think you had mentioned works due to salvation. I don't generally word it that way, but yeah....effectual faith.... yeah? no? go to smell?

peace

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[God's Truth]

As I have told godstruth and you perhaps in another thread,

You do not keep the commandments of God in order to be saved; you keep the commandments of God because you are saved.

Jesus saves those who obey by believing and repenting of their sins.

 

[God's Truth]

GT tries her best to create pretty words like; total obedience, however, underneath her 'words' she's betrayed by the fact that she has rejected 'Paul's Gospel' and is clinging to her own self-righteousness.

Jesus' blood cleans me.

Jesus saves me.

Jesus' words are Spirit and full of life.

You have to do what he says are you have no Spirit, no life, no salvation, no righteousness.

 

[God's Truth]

Both, Meshak and GT are 'WORKERS' and not 'FAITHERS.'

I have faith with right action.

 

[God's Truth]

And she can't even say what it is that she is claiming to obey. "Everything" is her stock reply.

And still, she is a non stop yapper, so that keeps her from having to do much real "obeying", doesn't it?


TO Gut (godsUntruth):

When do you do this great wonderful obeying that will earn you salvation and keep you saved? Surely you aren't counting your time here as obeying....since it doesn't come close to preaching the Gospel that saves?

I don't do as you say. I like to tell others exactly what we are told to be saved.

Here are things for you to think about:


…unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven; Matthew 5:32.

…unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven; Matthew 18:3.

…unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart; Matthew 18:35.

…unless you repent, you too will all perish; Luke 13:3.

… unless they are born of water and the Spirit; John 3:5.

Unless I wash you, you have no part with me; John 13:8.

…unless it dies; 1 Corinthians 15:36.

...if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; Matthew 6:14

...if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins; Matthew 6:15

 

[God's Truth]

It appears as if, both you and Meshak have a lot anger towards the Apostle Paul? Meshak has no interest in any of Paul's writings.

You are not speaking the truth about me. Paul just isn't guilty of what you accuse him of doing.

 

[God's Truth]

Both you and Meshak are united in your cause to spread false doctrine at every level. Your ignorance is disgraceful and unnecessary. Unnecessary, with respect to your stubborn unwillingness to study the writings of the Apostle Paul in order to see the truths he preaches/teaches.

You accuse Paul of preaching another gospel thus making him a hypocrite and cursing himself.

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

 

[God's Truth]

Do you know that you don't know how to 'Rightly Divide' the written Word of God?

You think that there are more than one kingdom of God. You think that there are two good news messages.

You divide God and you want me to believe you rightly divide?

 

[JudgeRightly]

I don't do as you say. I like to tell others exactly what we are told to be saved.

Here are things for you to think about:


…unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven; Matthew 5:32.

…unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven; Matthew 18:3.

…unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart; Matthew 18:35.

…unless you repent, you too will all perish; Luke 13:3.

… unless they are born of water and the Spirit; John 3:5.

Unless I wash you, you have no part with me; John 13:8.

…unless it dies; 1 Corinthians 15:36.

...if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; Matthew 6:14

...if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins; Matthew 6:15

Have you not noticed how literally ALL of your verses come from the four Gospels, and NOT from Paul's epistles?

(And no, 1Cor 15:36 has nothing to do with any of what you said.)

 

[God's Truth]

Have you not noticed how literally ALL of your verses come from the four Gospels, and NOT from Paul's epistles?

(And no, 1Cor 15:36 has nothing to do with any of what you said.)

That scripture is about what I said.

So you now have what Jesus says we have to do to be saved.

It sounds as if you want to hear it from Paul too.

Here is what Paul says:

You have to repent of your sins, and prove it: Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds. Acts 20:21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.

You have to call on Jesus: Romans 10:13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Paul tells us that the gospel isn't even for you unless you do right and fear God:
Acts 13:26 "Fellow children of Abraham and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent. Acts 10:35 but that in every nation those who fear Him and live good lives are acceptable to Him.

Paul says you have to have a good heart: Acts 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.

 

[glorydaz]

I'm pretty sure Christ taught mercy/ grace due to the mercy/ grace of GOD.....maybe I'm mistaken.....would you like to go over the scriptures of Jesus' teachings on man's actions......and how they are to be merciful and kind and long-suffering and other such things of GOD?

Right, I'll just tackle a great big subject and you can tell me where I'm wrong. :chuckle:


I've played your game, and nothing ever comes of it.

 

[glorydaz]

(Seems here St. Paul is not speaking of taking joy in sin.

Where do you come up with this stuff? NO ONE has been speaking of "taking joy in sin".

 

[meshak]

But that's not what this conversation is about, is it? It's about what Jesus said.

so what is point of this?

 

[glorydaz]

I do not see your point so it seems like a waste of time.

You don't see the point, so that means it's a waste of time. :rotfl:

 

[popsthebuilder]

Right, I'll just tackle a great big subject and you can tell me where I'm wrong. :chuckle:


I've played your game, and nothing ever comes of it.

Going over scripture peacably for the profit of each other is no game.



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[glorydaz]

But it is irrelevant is it not? Jesus taught us how to be pleasing to GOD, through abiding by the Law of the Spirit.

Show us where you find that? Where did He teach it? You must have a verse or two....

 

[glorydaz]

Going over scripture peacably for the profit of each other is no game.

Going over scripture is not tiptoeing through the tulips, either, but I've yet to see you show any signs of doing anything peaceably. You get your feelings hurt right from the get go.

 

[glorydaz]

Still drawing a dividing line between GOD'S people and GOD'S people i see.

Right, just throw those silly verses right out the window. Matt. 15:24