Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2 also 1 John 4:14.
You are Gospel illiterate. If you were a Christian you would know and believe that. To deny that Jesus is the savior of the whole world is to deny that Jesus is Lord.
How the Gospel Refutes Calvinism, All Religions
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Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2 also 1 John 4:14.
You are Gospel illiterate. If you were a Christian you would know and believe that. To deny that Jesus is the savior of the whole world is to deny that Jesus is Lord.
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God's providence is where God speaks. Others simply hear and turn away.
When God commands, His commands are fulfilled.
You just don't get it, and apparently have vouched to never do so
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I see it wrong when one focuses it to extreme free will as if God is waiting. God would be waiting forever if it were left up to man. Forever is not a long time, it's never
Of course he died for his people
Epoisses
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God's providence is where God speaks. Others simply hear and turn away.
When God commands, His commands are fulfilled.
You just don't get it, and apparently have vouched to never do so
His commands were not fulfilled with Satan and Adam....ooops, sounds like a hole in your theology.
Epoisses
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I don't do that. I focus on grace and the free gift.
I think I see some Calvinists blends in your theologies. You're a Calvinist in one post and an arminian in another post. I think you're just dancing around for an argument.
Epoisses
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I'm a three and a half point Arminian. I reject the Arminian provisional atonement hands down. What Christ accomplished at the cross was perfect, finished and complete for the whole world. I also believe in a limited form of eternal security. Instead of once saved always saved I believe in once mature always mature. Mature believers in Christ do not fall away but the babes in Christ can and often do fall away.
If they do fall away it was because they never were sincere believers.
Persecution usually separates the real from the counterfeit.
Hardly a command then if they can turn away. Are you saying God predestined them to turn away ?
Another contradiction. Is this freely 'vouched' or did God predestine this too. I wish you would make your mind up.You just don't get it, and apparently have vouched to never do so
As in Double Predestination Hyper Calvinism - of which most Calvinists sects deny.
Neither one was a contradiction, so how do you figure 'another'
That was not the point at all. You completely just went over the whole thing with drivel.
Until you all pick up a capacity to follow along with what is stated, I don't really feel a point in speaking with you all- the only thing being done is you and others simply trying to 'shoot nukes' at every individual thing stated instead of acknowledging the broad point at hand.
What good is perfect going to help those Jesus knew that were not the sheep? What are the goats going to do with that perfection when they don't even care about it nor ever will?
They couldn't believe on thier own nor care about it. You don't care about it either
Epoisses
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Jesus leads the goats to repentance even though they fight him the whole way. Eventually he just lets them go.
Nanja
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They don't quite understand what 'God giving them over to their sin' means. They think it's something different than what it flat out says
Jesus knew they would fight the whole entire way. He never caught them to let go. You're making things up
Epoisses
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He ordained unbelievers like you to condemnation. You don't even believe that Jesus is the savior of the world.
Epoisses
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They don't quite understand what 'God giving them over to their sin' means. They think it's something different than what it flat out says
You don't understand that you've been duped by the Simon Magus of the Reformation.