How many people actually caught measles from the vaccination?

[ebenz47037]

Because I've been reading the thread about no more personal choice exemptions for vaccinating children, I decided to as this question.

You see, I caught both measles and mumps from the vaccinations when I was a kid and gave them to both my sisters who had also been vaccinated. I know that was in the 70s. But, it's one reason why I'm leery of vaccinating children. The biggest reason that I stopped believing that vaccinations were a good thing is because my daughter's pediatrician tried to talk me into getting the chicken pox vaccine even though she had already had chicken pox and it was in her records that she had the disease. Since you're supposed to be immune from the disease once you have it, why would the doctor try to push the vaccination?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Doctors, drug stores, etc, do their level best to get people
to take the flu shots every year! I have a friend of mine, we
both took the "flu shot" for this year, she got extremely ill
a few months later! So far, I haven't suffered any ill effects!

However, it makes you wonder why certain vaccinations and
flu shots are pushed on the public? When I was a kid, I was
supposed to get vaccinated for "Smallpox!" It was offered
at my school but, I didn't take it! Therefore, I was never
introduced to that vaccine! I don't believe they even offer
that vaccination today? So, why was it so important to get
it in the 50s?? Good thread!

 

[ebenz47037]

My mom gets the flu shot every year. She also gets a really bad case of the flu every year.

 

[Granite]

Let's just bring back the plague worldwide and get it over with already.

 

[ebenz47037]

Just a bit of anecdotal information. Every 5-6 years or so, I go through what I call a healing, or detox. It looks like a cold, influenza, cough, etc.

This is the year for it and I am about 4 weeks into it. It is not for the feint of heart. I do not suppress any of it. The cough is brutal but necessary to expel toxins. I look like a zombie, however, I know that when it is over, I will have a stronger immune system and will not be bothered for another few years.

During this period I have also cut out all sugar and dairy so the gut can concentrate on vital nutrients only.

The healing properties in homemade chicken soup are real. I boil the organic chicken bones for 36 hours to get out all the goodies.

I pray for those with fragile bodies, who get measles, or influenza.

I pretty much do the same thing. I don't trust doctors much because I grew watching doctors give my mom pills for everything she said was wrong with her (she's a major hypochondriac). Now that she's in her late 60's, I don't think she should be taking as much medication as she does, especially since I've seen my own health improve greatly by simply changing my diet.

 

[ebenz47037]

Let's just bring back the plague worldwide and get it over with already.

I won't delete your post, Granite. But, I don't really want to argue with anyone on this. That's why I posted this in a seperate thread rather than the other one. I'm just wondering how many people have my experience of getting whatever disease they were vaccinated from.

 

[Granite]

Anecdotal evidence doesn't prove a thing, Nori. For what it's worth I've never had a negative reaction to a vaccine (other than hating needles as a toddler) and I've never known anyone who's had a bad one, either. So, we're right back where we've started.

Anybody who opposes vaccines based on the (rare) negative reactions (some) people have to (some) vaccines is playing with fire. Someone who goes out on a limb as an anti-vax zealot is dangerously, horribly irresponsible.

Or we can just host a polio party and see who wants to jump in the pool first.

 

[ebenz47037]

Anecdotal evidence doesn't prove a thing, Nori. For what it's worth I've never had a negative reaction to a vaccine (other than hating needles as a toddler) and I've never known anyone who's had a bad one, either. So, we're right back where we've started.

Anybody who opposes vaccines based on the (rare) negative reactions (some) people have to (some) vaccines is playing with fire. Someone who goes out on a limb as an anti-vax zealot is dangerously, horribly irresponsible.

Or we can just host a polio party and see who wants to jump in the pool first.

I can understand getting a vaccination, if proven effective/non-harmful, for a deadly or crippling disease such as polio. I don't think that purposefully putting your children in a situation where they can catch measles, mumps, or chicken pox is a good idea.

But, I don't buy that all vaccinations are good for us. There's big money in the pharmaceutical business. And, if they can get the government to mandate mandatory vaccines they will be raking in more than they already do.

 

[rexlunae]

But, I don't buy that all vaccinations are good for us. There's big money in the pharmaceutical business.

There's a lot more money in caring for sick people. An intervention that prevents illness in the first place is practically a loss-leader by comparison.

 

[resodko]

There's a lot more money in caring for sick people.

yeah baby! :banana:

 

[elohiym]

There's a lot more money in caring for sick people.

Physicians, the state and pharmaceutical companies all profit from pushing vaccines.

An intervention that prevents illness in the first place is practically a loss-leader by comparison.

Prior to the introduction of the measles vaccine in the U.S. there were only a few million cases out of a population of over 189 million, and the death rate was very low (<.02% of cases). Note the the risk of seizure due to the MMR vaccine is .03%.

 

[elohiym]

Since you're supposed to be immune from the disease once you have it, why would the doctor try to push the vaccination?

Money.

There's a lot more money in caring for sick people.

yeah baby! :banana:

 

[fzappa13]

Because I've been reading the thread about no more personal choice exemptions for vaccinating children, I decided to as this question.

You see, I caught both measles and mumps from the vaccinations when I was a kid and gave them to both my sisters who had also been vaccinated. I know that was in the 70s. But, it's one reason why I'm leery of vaccinating children. The biggest reason that I stopped believing that vaccinations were a good thing is because my daughter's pediatrician tried to talk me into getting the chicken pox vaccine even though she had already had chicken pox and it was in her records that she had the disease. Since you're supposed to be immune from the disease once you have it, why would the doctor try to push the vaccination?

Last flu vaccination I had was forced on me in the Navy. I had the flu two days later. I haven't had it since. My stepdaughter was given a chicken-pox vaccination. She never got chicken-pox but she got shingles ... which you're only supposed to be able to get if you've had chicken-pox.

 

[elohiym]

Anybody who opposes vaccines based on the (rare) negative reactions (some) people have to (some) vaccines is playing with fire.

Anyone who fears a relatively harmless virus with a very low death rate like measles is a coward. But in fairness, you don't even fear influenza enough to get off your lazy butt and get vaccinated to protect others.

Someone who goes out on a limb as an anti-vax zealot is dangerously, horribly irresponsible.

Someone has to draw out the pro-any-vax nutters that want to mandate parents take unnecessary risks with their children based on pseudo-science and irrational fears.

Or we can just host a polio party and see who wants to jump in the pool first.

What was considered a greater killer in the United States, polio or measles?

 

[shagster01]

I am forced to get a flu shot every year at work. They are a sham. I got the flu in December after getting the shot in October.
They vaccinate for last year's strains.

 

[elohiym]

I am forced to get a flu shot every year at work.

I'm sorry to hear that.

A friend of mine who works in health care is being forced to get the MMR vaccine or lose her job. Apparently the law is written so that if she is fired for refusing vaccination she cannot collect unemployment. It's a travesty.

 

[fzappa13]

... and then there is one of my favorite perennial candidates for the anti-christ ... Bill Gates.

http://vactruth.com/2014/10/05/bill-gates-vaccine-crimes/

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Swine_Flu/Gates_Vaccines/gates_vaccines.html

http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/ma...d-anti-fertility-agent-in-un-tetanus-vaccine/

 

[drbrumley]

Nori, may I suggest this 10 minute podcast to listen to in your spare time.

Bring Back Childhood Measles Parties

Dr. Donald W. Miller, Jr. talks to Lew Rockwell about disease, vaccines, and real dangers.

Donald Miller is a retired cardiac surgeon and Emeritus Professor of Surgery at the University of Washington School of Medicine in Seattle. He is a member of Doctors for Disaster Preparedness

 

[Nick M]

Since you're supposed to be immune from the disease once you have it, why would the doctor try to push the vaccination?

I think you are right to be leery. Medical practice like this in the US seems to be going away from what much of the world does right. It reminds me of cholesterol lowering medication, which is one of the biggest hoaxes in history.

 

[elohiym]

“What is downright immoral and evil,” said Ngare, “is that the tetanus laced with HCG was given as a fertility-regulating vaccine without disclosing its contraceptive effect to the girls and the mothers. As far as they were concerned, they had gone for an innocent injection to prevent neonatal tetanus.”

Wickedness.