Bluecheese
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The Biblical heaven doesn't sound much fun either!
Hell's Daily Arrivals
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Bluecheese
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You won't have to worry about it
No I won't because I am of the opinion that when I die I will cease to be like everyone else. There is not the slightest shred of evidence any deity or afterlife exists.
WeberHome
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Fiction can be defined as stories about people and events that, though
untrue; are plausible; viz: realistic.
Fantasy can be defined as stories about people and events that are not only
untrue; but implausible; viz: unrealistic.
For example: a story about a boy like Pinocchio is unrealistic; while a story
about a boy with autism is realistic. The difference between Pinocchio and a
boy with autism is that the one is compatible with normal reality; while the
other is far removed from normal reality.
I have yet to read even one of Jesus Christ's parables that could not possibly
be a real-life story. They're all actually quite believable. Now; if he had told
one that alleged the moon was made of green cheese; we would have good
reason to believe that at least that one was fantasy; but none of them are
like that. At best; Christ's parables might qualify as fiction; but never
fantasy because none of them are so far removed from normal reality that
there is no possible chance of it ever being true.
Luke 16:19-31 is commonly alleged to be a parable; which of course implies
that the story is fiction; and some would even say fantasy. But the parable
theory has a fatal flaw. Abraham is not a fictional character: he's a real-life
man; held in very high esteem by at least three of the world's prominent
religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. And he's also the friend of God
(Isa 41:8). I simply cannot believe that Jesus Christ-- a man famous among
normal Christians for his honesty and integrity --would say something
untrue about a famous real-life man; especially about one of his Father's
buddies.
And on top of that, the story quotes Abraham a number of times. Well; if the
story is fiction, then Jesus Christ is on record testifying that Abraham said
things that he didn't really say; which is a clear violation of the
commandment that prohibits bearing false witness.
There is something else to consider.
The story of the rich man and Lazarus didn't originate with Jesus Christ. No,
it originated with his Father. In other words: Jesus Christ was micro
managed.
†. John 3:34 . . He is sent by God. He speaks God's words
†. John 8:26 . . He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those
things which I have heard of Him.
†. John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things
as the Father taught me.
†. John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
†. John 14:24 . .The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who
sent me.
So, by implying that Luke 16:19-31 is false, the parable theory insinuates
that God is a person of marginal integrity who can't be trusted to tell the
truth about people, not even about His own friends, which is ridiculous
seeing as how Titus 1:2 and Heb 6:18 testify that God cannot lie.
Netherworld Update: 37 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 2,233,024 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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Fiction can be defined as stories about people and events that, though
untrue; are plausible; viz: realistic.
Fantasy can be defined as stories about people and events that are not only
untrue; but implausible; viz: unrealistic.
For example: a story about a boy like Pinocchio is unrealistic; while a story
about a boy with autism is realistic. The difference between Pinocchio and a
boy with autism is that the one is compatible with normal reality; while the
other is far removed from normal reality.
I have yet to read even one of Jesus Christ's parables that could not possibly
be a real-life story. They're all actually quite believable. Now; if he had told
one that alleged the moon was made of green cheese; we would have good
reason to believe that at least that one was fantasy; but none of them are
like that. At best; Christ's parables might qualify as fiction; but never
fantasy because none of them are so far removed from normal reality that
there is no possible chance of it ever being true.
Luke 16:19-31 is commonly alleged to be a parable; which of course implies
that the story is fiction; and some would even say fantasy. But the parable
theory has a fatal flaw. Abraham is not a fictional character: he's a real-life
man; held in very high esteem by at least three of the world's prominent
religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. And he's also the friend of God
(Isa 41:8). I simply cannot believe that Jesus Christ-- a man famous among
normal Christians for his honesty and integrity --would say something
untrue about a famous real-life man; especially about one of his Father's
buddies.
And on top of that, the story quotes Abraham a number of times. Well; if the
story is fiction, then Jesus Christ is on record testifying that Abraham said
things that he didn't really say; which is a clear violation of the
commandment that prohibits bearing false witness.
There is something else to consider.
The story of the rich man and Lazarus didn't originate with Jesus Christ. No,
it originated with his Father. In other words: Jesus Christ was micro
managed.
†. John 3:34 . . He is sent by God. He speaks God's words
†. John 8:26 . . He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those
things which I have heard of Him.
†. John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things
as the Father taught me.
†. John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
†. John 14:24 . .The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who
sent me.
So, by implying that Luke 16:19-31 is false, the parable theory insinuates
that God is a person of marginal integrity who can't be trusted to tell the
truth about people, not even about His own friends, which is ridiculous
seeing as how Titus 1:2 and Heb 6:18 testify that God cannot lie.
Netherworld Update: 37 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 2,233,024 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is a parable about Israel and Gentiles. In this story Israel is the rich man and Lazarus symbolizes the Gentiles.
In the story Abraham told the rich man that his five brothers had Moses and the prophets, let them hear them. (Luke 16:29 NKJV)
Abraham's "bosom" is an oblique reference to God's kingdom.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Galatians 3:29 NKJV)
PureX
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Yes, but everyone thinks they're the "chosen few", so the point of these quotes is pretty much always lost in the face of human ego. I bet even you think you're one of the "chosen few", don't you?
WeberHome
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†. Luke 9:35 . . A voice came from the cloud, saying: This is my son, whom
I have chosen; listen to him.
The chosen son referred to in that verse isn't Solomon; it's Jesus Christ. So
then, it was the voice's command that the three apostles who accompanied
the son listen to him rather than listen to anybody else.
Now, that's very important because Jesus Christ testified that people
continue to exist after they die; while Solomon believed just the opposite.
Solomon spoke of death; but there's no textual evidence in the book of
Ecclesiastes indicating that he had ever seen beyond death for himself to
know what he was talking about. In contrast, there is an abundance of
textual evidence indicating that Jesus Christ not only spoke of death, but he
had seen beyond death for himself to know what he was talking about. (e.g.
John 3:13, John 3:31-32, John 6:33, John 6:38, and 1John 1:1-3) So in my
estimation, Christ's eye-witness reports carry far more weight than
Solomon's opinions.
When people insist that we listen to Solomon instead of listening to Jesus
Christ, they are insinuating that the voice in the cloud steered the apostles
in the wrong direction. That's a terrible thing to insinuate seeing as how the
speaker was God.
†. 2Pet 1:17-18 . . For he received honor and glory from God the Father
when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying: This is my Son,
whom I love; with him I am well pleased. We ourselves heard this voice that
came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.
Can you just imagine how insulted Jesus Christ's Father must feel when
people choose Solomon over His son; especially when it's a matter of record
that God wasn't well pleased with Solomon?
You know, if I was going to interpret somebody's teachings about the
afterlife as figurative language; it wouldn't be Jesus Christ's teachings; no, it
would be somebody's else's in order to avoid insulting Christ's Father. Better
to err on the safe side.
Netherworld Update: 40 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 2,414,080 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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†. Luke 9:35 . . A voice came from the cloud, saying: This is my son, whom
I have chosen; listen to him.
The chosen son referred to in that verse isn't Solomon; it's Jesus Christ. So
then, it was the voice's command that the three apostles who accompanied
the son listen to him rather than listen to anybody else.
Now, that's very important because Jesus Christ testified that people
continue to exist after they die; while Solomon believed just the opposite.
Solomon spoke of death; but there's no textual evidence in the book of
Ecclesiastes indicating that he had ever seen beyond death for himself to
know what he was talking about. In contrast, there is an abundance of
textual evidence indicating that Jesus Christ not only spoke of death, but he
had seen beyond death for himself to know what he was talking about. (e.g.
John 3:13, John 3:31-32, John 6:33, John 6:38, and 1John 1:1-3) So in my
estimation, Christ's eye-witness reports carry far more weight than
Solomon's opinions.
When people insist that we listen to Solomon instead of listening to Jesus
Christ, they are insinuating that the voice in the cloud steered the apostles
in the wrong direction. That's a terrible thing to insinuate seeing as how the
speaker was God.
†. 2Pet 1:17-18 . . For he received honor and glory from God the Father
when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying: This is my Son,
whom I love; with him I am well pleased. We ourselves heard this voice that
came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.
Can you just imagine how insulted Jesus Christ's Father must feel when
people choose Solomon over His son; especially when it's a matter of record
that God wasn't well pleased with Solomon?
You know, if I was going to interpret somebody's teachings about the
afterlife as figurative language; it wouldn't be Jesus Christ's teachings; no, it
would be somebody's else's in order to avoid insulting Christ's Father. Better
to err on the safe side.
Netherworld Update: 40 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 2,414,080 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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WeberHome
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OBJECTION: The Christian hell doesn't make sense that a loving God would
torment people in a fiery prison forever and ever.
RESPONSE: The objector's "sense" is produced by a 3-pound lump of flabby
organic tissue that can alter your personality with little more than an
aneurism or a blow to the head. Just how sensible can a flabby organic
sense really be compared to the sense of a divine being with enough
intelligence to invent, design, and manufacture a fully functioning cosmos
with all of its forms of life, matter, and energy? Flabby organic senses aren't
even a dunce in comparison: they're sub dunces; if even that.
Netherworld Update: 43 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 2,595,136 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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OBJECTION: The Christian hell doesn't make sense that a loving God would
torment people in a fiery prison forever and ever.
RESPONSE: The objector's "sense" is produced by a 3-pound lump of flabby
organic tissue that can alter your personality with little more than an
aneurism or a blow to the head. Just how sensible can a flabby organic
sense really be compared to the sense of a divine being with enough
intelligence to invent, design, and manufacture a fully functioning cosmos
with all of its forms of life, matter, and energy? Flabby organic senses aren't
even a dunce in comparison: they're sub dunces; if even that.
Netherworld Update: 43 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 2,595,136 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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Hades refers to the grave, no fire there.
The "reasoning" that concludes that the Bible says that God will torture people alive in hell forever comes from a three pound lump of flabby unused organic tissue.
Hence the two ways. The wide gate and broad way that leads to destruction many go in thereat.
The strait gate and the narrow way that leads to life and few there be that find it.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: good one!
If an infinite God created finite man and then let him be tricked by a Satan creature.....then torture the man for an eternity, that's not a good God no matter how much you want to polish that argument/turd.
WeberHome
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Whether the Bible's God is good or bad is irrelevant because if He's actually
in charge, then He's going to win regardless. For example: it's not only
futile, but also dangerous for North Koreans to criticize Kim Jong-un; viz:
good or bad, Kim has the upper hand and if he gets wind of someone's
discontent with his management practices, they, and oftentimes their entire
family, usually end up in one of North Korea's numerous political prisons.
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Whether the Bible's God is good or bad is irrelevant because if He's actually
in charge, then He's going to win regardless. For example: it's not only
futile, but also dangerous for North Koreans to criticize Kim Jong-un; viz:
good or bad, Kim has the upper hand and if he gets wind of someone's
discontent with his management practices, they, and oftentimes their entire
family, usually end up in one of North Korea's numerous political prisons.
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Hades? What does hades mean in the Greek?
WeberHome
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Human life is fragile; so much so that even something as thin as the air can
snuff it out.
†. Isa 40:6-7 . . All flesh is grass, and all its grace is like the blossom of the
field. The grass shall dry out, the blossom shall wilt, for a wind from the Lord
has blown upon it; behold the people is grass.
According to a report released on March 25, 2014 by the World Health
Organization; air pollution kills, on average, seven million people per
annum; and is linked to one in eight deaths (12.5%) world-wide. Think of it.
That percentage represents 902,997,326 deaths linked to air pollution per
annum out of a currently estimated 7.3 billion people.
An estimated 4.3 million people died in 2012 as a result of indoor air
pollution, mostly from cooking inside with coal or wood stoves in developing
countries, according to a report by the public health agency of the United
Nations.
Air pollution is so lethal because it exacerbates other conditions like cardio
vascular diseases, cancer, and respiratory illnesses. Were people with those
conditions permitted to breathe clean air free of hazardous chemicals and
toxic particulates, they would live longer.
Netherworld Update: 46 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 2,776,192 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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Human life is fragile; so much so that even something as thin as the air can
snuff it out.
†. Isa 40:6-7 . . All flesh is grass, and all its grace is like the blossom of the
field. The grass shall dry out, the blossom shall wilt, for a wind from the Lord
has blown upon it; behold the people is grass.
According to a report released on March 25, 2014 by the World Health
Organization; air pollution kills, on average, seven million people per
annum; and is linked to one in eight deaths (12.5%) world-wide. Think of it.
That percentage represents 902,997,326 deaths linked to air pollution per
annum out of a currently estimated 7.3 billion people.
An estimated 4.3 million people died in 2012 as a result of indoor air
pollution, mostly from cooking inside with coal or wood stoves in developing
countries, according to a report by the public health agency of the United
Nations.
Air pollution is so lethal because it exacerbates other conditions like cardio
vascular diseases, cancer, and respiratory illnesses. Were people with those
conditions permitted to breathe clean air free of hazardous chemicals and
toxic particulates, they would live longer.
Netherworld Update: 46 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 2,776,192 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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WeberHome
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If you honestly do not know what hades is; then I am forced to conclude
that your comment in post #71 is an uneducated guess.
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If you honestly do not know what hades is; then I am forced to conclude
that your comment in post #71 is an uneducated guess.
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JosephR
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she is your teacher.. it would do you well to watch and learn..