You have a skewed and warped (sick) view of things. I'm so glad you're completely wrong about everything.
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You have a skewed and warped (sick) view of things. I'm so glad you're completely wrong about everything.
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Threads like those are a dime a dozen. Borrrrrrreeeeeng!
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†. Luke 13:4-5 . . And what about the eighteen men who died when a tower
of Siloam fell on them? Were they the worst sinners in Jerusalem? No, and I
tell you again that unless you repent, you will likewise perish.
The koiné Greek word for "tower" in that passage is purgos (poor'-gos)
which is an ambiguous word that can mean not only an isolated structure
like a skyscraper; but also a special battlement which protrudes from the
face of a castle's curtain wall-- consisting of crenellations, merlons, and
machicolations --providing occupants a tactical advantage for observing and
defending the curtain wall's exterior face. Sometimes though, purgos were
simply architectural facades that made otherwise insipid stone walls
aesthetically pleasing to the eye.
In the days prior to steel reinforcing bar and structural steel beams, purgos
(which were often constructed of either stones or bricks or wood) weren't all
that stable, and sometimes crumbled; thus detaching themselves from the
curtain wall like an old swallow's nest; resulting in pieces raining down on
whoever happened to be standing below. The tower depicted in Luke was
possibly a decorative part of an architectural enclosure surrounding the pool
of Siloam. (cf. John 9:7)
The people who were killed when that tower collapsed, weren't killed by the
hand of God. No, they were just simply in the wrong place at the wrong
time; viz: it was just dumb luck. It's like when people plan all month for a
camping trip in the mountains. Upon arrival, they set up camp; and after
lunch, walk a hiking trail. Just then, a tree limb, that's been silently growing
in the forest for who knows how many years, suddenly decides to snap off
and fall to earth right then; subsequently killing one of the campers just as
they walk under it.
One minute earlier and it would have missed. One minute later and it would
have missed. But no, the limb falls right on cue as if the forces of nature
conspired to hold that tree limb in place till just the right moment; waiting
for that one specific person to walk under it.
In a similar incident Friday, Feb 19, 2010 --a centuries-old Mosque minaret
in Meknes Morocco collapsed and fell into a crowd of worshippers during
prayer time, killing 41.
Saturday, June 27, 2010, a 6-month-old baby girl was killed and her mother
seriously injured when the pair were struck by a falling tree branch in New
York City's Central Park Zoo. The girl's father was taking their picture near
the sea lion exhibit when a branch above them suddenly snapped off and
fell.
On Tuesday, July 3, 2007; nineteen year-old Ramiro Gonzalez was returning
home to Nyssa Oregon from a week-end honeymoon in northern California
with his bride Idalia asleep in the back seat when their 1997 Pontiac Grand
Am hit a cow twenty miles east of Burns. The Pontiac went off the road,
through a fence, and burst into flames. Idalia escaped with only minor
injuries, but Ramiro died at the Ste. Charles Medical Center in Bend the very
next day.
Ramiro and his bride didn't get to live in a home of their own for even one
single minute of their marriage-- never had a baby, never joined the PTA,
never saved for college, never went to ballet lessons, nor to soccer or little
league, never went on family picnics, never took home movies and photos at
Christmas, Easter, or birthdays, never went to the beach and built sand
castles --no, their entire future, and all their dreams of family life, were
shattered in an instant by a lame-brained bovine; and Ramiro wasn't even
20 years old yet.
March 20, 2008; fifty-seven year old Judy Kay Zagorski, of Pigeon, Michigan,
was sitting in the front seat of her father's boat going 25 knots on the
Atlantic Ocean side of Vaca Key in Florida, when a Spotted Eagle Ray, with a
wingspan of 5 to 6 feet; leaped up out of the water-- for who knows what
reason --and collided with Zagorski, knocking her backwards onto the deck
of the boat. She died from the impact. Judy's sister, standing next to her,
was not injured.
On a November morning in 1998, Alan Pakula climbed into his Volvo station
wagon and began the 100-mile drive from Manhattan to his Long Island
house. The acclaimed movie director of Sophie's Choice, All The President's
Men, and The Pelican Brief, had made that trip countless times with no
incident.
As the 70 year-old Pakula neared exit 49 on the Long Island Expressway just
before noon, the tires of a vehicle ahead of him flipped a 7-foot piece of
steel rod into the air. Within seconds, the rod shot through Pakula's
windshield, smashing into his forehead, killing him almost instantly.
Death often comes when people least expect it. As a rule, they don't usually
get up in the morning planning it to be their last day on earth. The 169,752
killed, and 127,294 listed as missing, in more than eleven countries by the
tsunami of 2004, were taken by surprise, and given no warning it was to be
their last day on earth.
The 2,829 people who perished in a terrorist attack on the World Trade
Center on September 11, 2001, and the 189 who died in the Pentagon,
didn't go in to work expecting their lives to end before lunch that day. No,
people's lives often end while they still have obligations and commitments,
aspirations, things to do, places to go, and people to see; when a car
accident, train wreck, act of nature, plane crash, crime, heart attack, or
stroke puts an abrupt end to every plan they ever made.
Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010, a 7.0 earthquake struck Port au Prince Haiti right out
of the blue subsequently causing the loss of more than 200,000 lives. A
similar act of nature on March 11, 2011, left 25,000 dead and/or missing in
Japan.
Okeechobee woman Dawn Johnston, 38, was killed Wednesday June 30,
2010 after part of a portable toilet crashed through her car's windshield.
Dawn was driving south on SR 15 shortly after 11 a.m. when two portable
toilets fell from the trailer of a pickup truck traveling north,. The portable
toilets shattered when they hit the road, and a piece of one of them crashed
through the woman's windshield, striking her. Johnston's car then veered off
the road and collided with a tree.
A rain-saturated hillside above the Stillaguamish River on the outskirts of the
rural town of Oso in the State of Washington gave way March 22, 2014
leaving behind a current death toll of 41 souls. The landslide happened to
suddenly and so rapidly that nobody saw it coming and/or had the slightest
chance of getting out of the way. Listed among the dead and missing was a
four-month old infant.
Freak incidents like those listed above can happen to anybody in the form of
a stray bullet from a drive-by, lightening strike, gas explosion, choking on a
piece of meat, electrocution, earthquake, a drunk driver, a fall in the bath
tub; bricks dropped from an overpass, or any number of out-of-the-blue
surprises. I don't think Christ was saying that repentance will protect people
from dying in an unexpected incident, but rather, that if they don't start
thinking about the afterlife now, while they have the chance; then they risk
being caught off guard by sudden death where there will be no time to
think; and they'll find themselves suddenly thrust into the afterlife a lot
sooner than they ever expected.
I was taught in catechism that repentance always means sorrow and regret
for one's sins; but I don't think that's what Christ was getting at.
The koiné Greek word for "repent" in Christ's statement is metanoeo (met
an-o-eh'-o) which means: to think differently; viz: to reconsider-- in other
words: to change one's mind and/or change one's direction.
I was also taught in catechism that repentance and confession of one's sins
are joined at the hip; so to speak. But confession of sins is not the emphasis
in Luke 13:4-5; metanoeo is the emphasis.
Christ preceded the statement recorded in Luke 13:4-5 with another like it.
†. Luke 13:1-3 . .There were present at that season some who told Him
about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And
Jesus answered and said to them: Do you suppose that these Galileans were
worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? I
tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.
The record doesn't explain why Pilate executed those men in particular; nor
even where the executions took place. But just for brevity's sake, I'll assume
for now that those particular men were known insurrectionists, and the
executions took place on the grounds of the Temple compound in Jerusalem
while the men were there to worship. In other words: the men were pounced
upon in a place they would never suspect; and Pilate's soldiers sprung on
the Galileans so suddenly and so efficiently that the men had no chance to
either escape or to defend themselves.
It's at a time like that when your religion of choice had better be the right
one because you'll have neither time nor opportunity to reconsider and
switch to another.
†. Ecc 9:10-12 . . For the time of mischance comes to all. And a man cannot
even know his time. As fishes are enmeshed in a fatal net, and as birds are
trapped in a snare, so men are caught at the time of calamity, when it
comes upon them without warning.
Netherworld Update: 12 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 724,224 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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†. Luke 13:4-5 . . And what about the eighteen men who died when a tower
of Siloam fell on them? Were they the worst sinners in Jerusalem? No, and I
tell you again that unless you repent, you will likewise perish.
The koiné Greek word for "tower" in that passage is purgos (poor'-gos)
which is an ambiguous word that can mean not only an isolated structure
like a skyscraper; but also a special battlement which protrudes from the
face of a castle's curtain wall-- consisting of crenellations, merlons, and
machicolations --providing occupants a tactical advantage for observing and
defending the curtain wall's exterior face. Sometimes though, purgos were
simply architectural facades that made otherwise insipid stone walls
aesthetically pleasing to the eye.
In the days prior to steel reinforcing bar and structural steel beams, purgos
(which were often constructed of either stones or bricks or wood) weren't all
that stable, and sometimes crumbled; thus detaching themselves from the
curtain wall like an old swallow's nest; resulting in pieces raining down on
whoever happened to be standing below. The tower depicted in Luke was
possibly a decorative part of an architectural enclosure surrounding the pool
of Siloam. (cf. John 9:7)
The people who were killed when that tower collapsed, weren't killed by the
hand of God. No, they were just simply in the wrong place at the wrong
time; viz: it was just dumb luck. It's like when people plan all month for a
camping trip in the mountains. Upon arrival, they set up camp; and after
lunch, walk a hiking trail. Just then, a tree limb, that's been silently growing
in the forest for who knows how many years, suddenly decides to snap off
and fall to earth right then; subsequently killing one of the campers just as
they walk under it.
One minute earlier and it would have missed. One minute later and it would
have missed. But no, the limb falls right on cue as if the forces of nature
conspired to hold that tree limb in place till just the right moment; waiting
for that one specific person to walk under it.
In a similar incident Friday, Feb 19, 2010 --a centuries-old Mosque minaret
in Meknes Morocco collapsed and fell into a crowd of worshippers during
prayer time, killing 41.
Saturday, June 27, 2010, a 6-month-old baby girl was killed and her mother
seriously injured when the pair were struck by a falling tree branch in New
York City's Central Park Zoo. The girl's father was taking their picture near
the sea lion exhibit when a branch above them suddenly snapped off and
fell.
On Tuesday, July 3, 2007; nineteen year-old Ramiro Gonzalez was returning
home to Nyssa Oregon from a week-end honeymoon in northern California
with his bride Idalia asleep in the back seat when their 1997 Pontiac Grand
Am hit a cow twenty miles east of Burns. The Pontiac went off the road,
through a fence, and burst into flames. Idalia escaped with only minor
injuries, but Ramiro died at the Ste. Charles Medical Center in Bend the very
next day.
Ramiro and his bride didn't get to live in a home of their own for even one
single minute of their marriage-- never had a baby, never joined the PTA,
never saved for college, never went to ballet lessons, nor to soccer or little
league, never went on family picnics, never took home movies and photos at
Christmas, Easter, or birthdays, never went to the beach and built sand
castles --no, their entire future, and all their dreams of family life, were
shattered in an instant by a lame-brained bovine; and Ramiro wasn't even
20 years old yet.
March 20, 2008; fifty-seven year old Judy Kay Zagorski, of Pigeon, Michigan,
was sitting in the front seat of her father's boat going 25 knots on the
Atlantic Ocean side of Vaca Key in Florida, when a Spotted Eagle Ray, with a
wingspan of 5 to 6 feet; leaped up out of the water-- for who knows what
reason --and collided with Zagorski, knocking her backwards onto the deck
of the boat. She died from the impact. Judy's sister, standing next to her,
was not injured.
On a November morning in 1998, Alan Pakula climbed into his Volvo station
wagon and began the 100-mile drive from Manhattan to his Long Island
house. The acclaimed movie director of Sophie's Choice, All The President's
Men, and The Pelican Brief, had made that trip countless times with no
incident.
As the 70 year-old Pakula neared exit 49 on the Long Island Expressway just
before noon, the tires of a vehicle ahead of him flipped a 7-foot piece of
steel rod into the air. Within seconds, the rod shot through Pakula's
windshield, smashing into his forehead, killing him almost instantly.
Death often comes when people least expect it. As a rule, they don't usually
get up in the morning planning it to be their last day on earth. The 169,752
killed, and 127,294 listed as missing, in more than eleven countries by the
tsunami of 2004, were taken by surprise, and given no warning it was to be
their last day on earth.
The 2,829 people who perished in a terrorist attack on the World Trade
Center on September 11, 2001, and the 189 who died in the Pentagon,
didn't go in to work expecting their lives to end before lunch that day. No,
people's lives often end while they still have obligations and commitments,
aspirations, things to do, places to go, and people to see; when a car
accident, train wreck, act of nature, plane crash, crime, heart attack, or
stroke puts an abrupt end to every plan they ever made.
Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010, a 7.0 earthquake struck Port au Prince Haiti right out
of the blue subsequently causing the loss of more than 200,000 lives. A
similar act of nature on March 11, 2011, left 25,000 dead and/or missing in
Japan.
Okeechobee woman Dawn Johnston, 38, was killed Wednesday June 30,
2010 after part of a portable toilet crashed through her car's windshield.
Dawn was driving south on SR 15 shortly after 11 a.m. when two portable
toilets fell from the trailer of a pickup truck traveling north,. The portable
toilets shattered when they hit the road, and a piece of one of them crashed
through the woman's windshield, striking her. Johnston's car then veered off
the road and collided with a tree.
A rain-saturated hillside above the Stillaguamish River on the outskirts of the
rural town of Oso in the State of Washington gave way March 22, 2014
leaving behind a current death toll of 41 souls. The landslide happened to
suddenly and so rapidly that nobody saw it coming and/or had the slightest
chance of getting out of the way. Listed among the dead and missing was a
four-month old infant.
Freak incidents like those listed above can happen to anybody in the form of
a stray bullet from a drive-by, lightening strike, gas explosion, choking on a
piece of meat, electrocution, earthquake, a drunk driver, a fall in the bath
tub; bricks dropped from an overpass, or any number of out-of-the-blue
surprises. I don't think Christ was saying that repentance will protect people
from dying in an unexpected incident, but rather, that if they don't start
thinking about the afterlife now, while they have the chance; then they risk
being caught off guard by sudden death where there will be no time to
think; and they'll find themselves suddenly thrust into the afterlife a lot
sooner than they ever expected.
I was taught in catechism that repentance always means sorrow and regret
for one's sins; but I don't think that's what Christ was getting at.
The koiné Greek word for "repent" in Christ's statement is metanoeo (met
an-o-eh'-o) which means: to think differently; viz: to reconsider-- in other
words: to change one's mind and/or change one's direction.
I was also taught in catechism that repentance and confession of one's sins
are joined at the hip; so to speak. But confession of sins is not the emphasis
in Luke 13:4-5; metanoeo is the emphasis.
Christ preceded the statement recorded in Luke 13:4-5 with another like it.
†. Luke 13:1-3 . .There were present at that season some who told Him
about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And
Jesus answered and said to them: Do you suppose that these Galileans were
worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? I
tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.
The record doesn't explain why Pilate executed those men in particular; nor
even where the executions took place. But just for brevity's sake, I'll assume
for now that those particular men were known insurrectionists, and the
executions took place on the grounds of the Temple compound in Jerusalem
while the men were there to worship. In other words: the men were pounced
upon in a place they would never suspect; and Pilate's soldiers sprung on
the Galileans so suddenly and so efficiently that the men had no chance to
either escape or to defend themselves.
It's at a time like that when your religion of choice had better be the right
one because you'll have neither time nor opportunity to reconsider and
switch to another.
†. Ecc 9:10-12 . . For the time of mischance comes to all. And a man cannot
even know his time. As fishes are enmeshed in a fatal net, and as birds are
trapped in a snare, so men are caught at the time of calamity, when it
comes upon them without warning.
Netherworld Update: 12 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 724,224 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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WeberHome
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"Right Back Atcha"
I once heard President Obama reply to criticism with almost those exact
same words; viz: he didn't deny the truth of the criticism, but instead
employed the age-old tactic of accusing his critic of the very same things;
which, I guess in his mind; somehow mitigated his own culpability; but the
honorable response would have been for him to man-up and admit his
conduct was unbecoming rather than stoop to recriminations.
It's very common for people to respond to criticism the same way Mr.
Obama did. It's all the same as saying: Who are you to talk? Well;
regardless of who someone is to talk, if the criticism is true; then it stands;
viz: recriminations are futile. All they do is pull someone down with you so
you don't go down alone.
I predict there's going to be a quite a bit of resentment and indignation at
the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 when the dead see
people in white who they know to be guilty of the very same things for which
they are being sentenced to the reservoir of flaming sulfur.
So; how might I describe human nature? I think I could accurately describe
it as both judgmental and defensive.
†. Rom 2:15 . .Their thoughts the meanwhile accusing or else excusing one
another.
Netherworld Update: 15 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 905,280 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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"Right Back Atcha"
I once heard President Obama reply to criticism with almost those exact
same words; viz: he didn't deny the truth of the criticism, but instead
employed the age-old tactic of accusing his critic of the very same things;
which, I guess in his mind; somehow mitigated his own culpability; but the
honorable response would have been for him to man-up and admit his
conduct was unbecoming rather than stoop to recriminations.
It's very common for people to respond to criticism the same way Mr.
Obama did. It's all the same as saying: Who are you to talk? Well;
regardless of who someone is to talk, if the criticism is true; then it stands;
viz: recriminations are futile. All they do is pull someone down with you so
you don't go down alone.
I predict there's going to be a quite a bit of resentment and indignation at
the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 when the dead see
people in white who they know to be guilty of the very same things for which
they are being sentenced to the reservoir of flaming sulfur.
So; how might I describe human nature? I think I could accurately describe
it as both judgmental and defensive.
†. Rom 2:15 . .Their thoughts the meanwhile accusing or else excusing one
another.
Netherworld Update: 15 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 905,280 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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truthjourney
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How could you possibly view what Heir said as boring? It is good news and speaks about the goodness of God. She asked you a very good question.
You appear to be fixated on death and destruction. You must think it's more interesting and exciting to focus on the idea of cascading of souls into the pit of hell with endless torture and suffering forever. I find that not only boring but also repulsive.
This is not biblical.
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†. Mark 9:47-48 . . If your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out. It is better to
enter the kingdom of God half blind than to have two eyes and be thrown
into hell; where the worm never dies and the fire never goes out.
Jesus Christ's caution and warning about the fire and worms didn't reveal
anything new. He simply reiterated information that had already been
released by an Old Testament prophet roughly 700 years before Christ was
born.
†. Isa 66:22-24 . . All humanity will come to worship me from week to week
and from month to month. And as they go out, they will see the dead bodies
of those who have rebelled against me. For the worms that devour them will
never die, and the fire that burns them will never go out. All who pass by
will view them with utter loathing.
The human body is organic. So then, how can it survive in eternal flame as
perpetual nourishment for those worms?
Natural laws are not absolutes. They are created laws; thus subject to
revision, modification, manipulation, and even elimination by the cosmos'
architect.
For example: fire totally incinerated the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah but
left unscathed a desert shrub that Moses encountered in the Sinai outback
while tending his father-in-law's sheep. Also compare Dan 3:8-27 where a
blistering hot fire left totally unscathed Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego
while slaying the guards that threw them in the furnace.
FYI: A worm that thrives in flame is pretty amazing, but not unreasonable.
The 4-inch Pompeii worm lives in sea water temperatures of 176°
Fahrenheit: hot enough to kill salmonella and sanitize an egg. So I guess if
God could create a worm like the Pompeii, it shouldn't be too difficult for Him
to create worms that like it even warmer.
Netherworld Update: 18 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 1,086,336 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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†. Mark 9:47-48 . . If your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out. It is better to
enter the kingdom of God half blind than to have two eyes and be thrown
into hell; where the worm never dies and the fire never goes out.
Jesus Christ's caution and warning about the fire and worms didn't reveal
anything new. He simply reiterated information that had already been
released by an Old Testament prophet roughly 700 years before Christ was
born.
†. Isa 66:22-24 . . All humanity will come to worship me from week to week
and from month to month. And as they go out, they will see the dead bodies
of those who have rebelled against me. For the worms that devour them will
never die, and the fire that burns them will never go out. All who pass by
will view them with utter loathing.
The human body is organic. So then, how can it survive in eternal flame as
perpetual nourishment for those worms?
Natural laws are not absolutes. They are created laws; thus subject to
revision, modification, manipulation, and even elimination by the cosmos'
architect.
For example: fire totally incinerated the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah but
left unscathed a desert shrub that Moses encountered in the Sinai outback
while tending his father-in-law's sheep. Also compare Dan 3:8-27 where a
blistering hot fire left totally unscathed Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego
while slaying the guards that threw them in the furnace.
FYI: A worm that thrives in flame is pretty amazing, but not unreasonable.
The 4-inch Pompeii worm lives in sea water temperatures of 176°
Fahrenheit: hot enough to kill salmonella and sanitize an egg. So I guess if
God could create a worm like the Pompeii, it shouldn't be too difficult for Him
to create worms that like it even warmer.
Netherworld Update: 18 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 1,086,336 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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WeberHome
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†. Ecc 1:2-4 . . Meaningless! Futile! complains the Teacher. Utterly
meaningless! Everything is meaningless. What does a man gain from all his
labor at which he toils under the sun? Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
The earth is dumber than a spatula; yet easily outlives its human potentate
whose IQ is infinitely greater. Take for example the great granite
monuments in Yosemite Valley. Tourists to the valley come, and tourists to
the valley go; and one day old age catches up with those tourists and
they're gone; yet Yosemite's great stones abide decade after decade;
century after century.
Most children born this day will be dead in 100 years; and those stones
won't even notice. Though a child born today may be intelligent enough to
eventually understand orbital mechanics and string theory; the stones--
stupid, mute, and uneducated --will easily outlast it.
†. Ecc 2:15-16 . . I thought in my heart: The fate of the fool will overtake
me also. What then do I gain by being intelligent? I said in my heart: This is
meaningless For the intelligent man, like the fool, will not be long
remembered-- in days to come both will be forgotten. Like the fool, the
intelligent man too must die.
Netherworld Update: 21 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 1,267,392 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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†. Ecc 1:2-4 . . Meaningless! Futile! complains the Teacher. Utterly
meaningless! Everything is meaningless. What does a man gain from all his
labor at which he toils under the sun? Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
The earth is dumber than a spatula; yet easily outlives its human potentate
whose IQ is infinitely greater. Take for example the great granite
monuments in Yosemite Valley. Tourists to the valley come, and tourists to
the valley go; and one day old age catches up with those tourists and
they're gone; yet Yosemite's great stones abide decade after decade;
century after century.
Most children born this day will be dead in 100 years; and those stones
won't even notice. Though a child born today may be intelligent enough to
eventually understand orbital mechanics and string theory; the stones--
stupid, mute, and uneducated --will easily outlast it.
†. Ecc 2:15-16 . . I thought in my heart: The fate of the fool will overtake
me also. What then do I gain by being intelligent? I said in my heart: This is
meaningless For the intelligent man, like the fool, will not be long
remembered-- in days to come both will be forgotten. Like the fool, the
intelligent man too must die.
Netherworld Update: 21 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 1,267,392 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
WeberHome
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Judas goats are trained for use in slaughterhouses and herd control. In
stockyards, they lead sheep to slaughter; and are also used to lead other
animals to specific pens and on to trucks. The term is a reference to the
biblical traitor Judas Iscariot.
The phrase has also been used to describe goats utilized to locate feral goats
targeted for eradication. They're usually outfitted with a transmitter, painted
in red and then released. The goats then locate the remaining herds of feral
goats, allowing hunters with tracking devices to find and exterminate them.
The red paint marks the goat with the transmitter so the hunters know
which one not to shoot.
You know what can be even worse than going to hell? Your own children
following you there: and they trusted you.
Here's a sort of cute story I heard once. I don't know if it's true but I guess
it sure is pertinent.
A boozing farmer went out to his barn in the dead of night after a snowfall to
sneak a pull from his liquor bottle. Just as he got to the barn door he heard
something behind him. Turning, the farmer recognized his little boy coming
towards him. In amazement he asked the little guy how he ever managed to
find his way out to the barn in the dark. His son replied: It was easy; I
walked in your footsteps.
Can you just imagine the anguish that parents feel in the netherworld
knowing that they inadvertently raised their children in a religion that led
them down the road to hell and all the while sincerely believing themselves
doing the right thing? In other words: they actually Judas-goated their
children to follow mom and dad down there. How do parents in hell cope
with something like that on their conscience? For some families, the only
thing they have to look forward to in the afterlife is a sad reunion in fire and
despair; for example:
†. Luke 16:27-29 . . Then he said: I beg you therefore, father [Abraham]
that you would send [Lazarus] to my father's house, for I have five brothers,
that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.
That poor man had no way to contact his surviving kin and let them know
his whereabouts; but his biggest fear was that he knew them all well enough
to know that all five were coming down where he was-- there was nothing
he could do to prevent it.
Netherworld Update: 24 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 1,448,448 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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Judas goats are trained for use in slaughterhouses and herd control. In
stockyards, they lead sheep to slaughter; and are also used to lead other
animals to specific pens and on to trucks. The term is a reference to the
biblical traitor Judas Iscariot.
The phrase has also been used to describe goats utilized to locate feral goats
targeted for eradication. They're usually outfitted with a transmitter, painted
in red and then released. The goats then locate the remaining herds of feral
goats, allowing hunters with tracking devices to find and exterminate them.
The red paint marks the goat with the transmitter so the hunters know
which one not to shoot.
You know what can be even worse than going to hell? Your own children
following you there: and they trusted you.
Here's a sort of cute story I heard once. I don't know if it's true but I guess
it sure is pertinent.
A boozing farmer went out to his barn in the dead of night after a snowfall to
sneak a pull from his liquor bottle. Just as he got to the barn door he heard
something behind him. Turning, the farmer recognized his little boy coming
towards him. In amazement he asked the little guy how he ever managed to
find his way out to the barn in the dark. His son replied: It was easy; I
walked in your footsteps.
Can you just imagine the anguish that parents feel in the netherworld
knowing that they inadvertently raised their children in a religion that led
them down the road to hell and all the while sincerely believing themselves
doing the right thing? In other words: they actually Judas-goated their
children to follow mom and dad down there. How do parents in hell cope
with something like that on their conscience? For some families, the only
thing they have to look forward to in the afterlife is a sad reunion in fire and
despair; for example:
†. Luke 16:27-29 . . Then he said: I beg you therefore, father [Abraham]
that you would send [Lazarus] to my father's house, for I have five brothers,
that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.
That poor man had no way to contact his surviving kin and let them know
his whereabouts; but his biggest fear was that he knew them all well enough
to know that all five were coming down where he was-- there was nothing
he could do to prevent it.
Netherworld Update: 24 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 1,448,448 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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At some time during Jonah's three-day nautical adventure, he went to a
place described as the roots of the mountains (Jonah 2:6). Well; the roots of
the mountains aren't situated in the tummy of a fish; they're embedded in
the earth. Jesus Christ said the same thing about his experience.
†. Mtt 12:40 . . For just as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish three days
and three nights, so the Son of man will be in the heart of the earth three
days and three nights.
When you think about it, Christ's corpse was never in the heart of the earth.
It wasn't even in the earth's soil. It was on the surface of the earth in a rock
tomb. So in order for Christ to be on the surface of the earth and in its heart
at the same time, he and his body had to go their separate ways.
Same with Jonah. In order for Jonah to be in a fish's tummy and down at the
roots of the mountains at the same time, he and his body had to go their
separate ways; which of course is not difficult for traditional Christians
seeing as how they believe it's possible for a human to continue existing
beyond the demise of their body.
Netherworld Update: 28 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 1,689,856 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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At some time during Jonah's three-day nautical adventure, he went to a
place described as the roots of the mountains (Jonah 2:6). Well; the roots of
the mountains aren't situated in the tummy of a fish; they're embedded in
the earth. Jesus Christ said the same thing about his experience.
†. Mtt 12:40 . . For just as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish three days
and three nights, so the Son of man will be in the heart of the earth three
days and three nights.
When you think about it, Christ's corpse was never in the heart of the earth.
It wasn't even in the earth's soil. It was on the surface of the earth in a rock
tomb. So in order for Christ to be on the surface of the earth and in its heart
at the same time, he and his body had to go their separate ways.
Same with Jonah. In order for Jonah to be in a fish's tummy and down at the
roots of the mountains at the same time, he and his body had to go their
separate ways; which of course is not difficult for traditional Christians
seeing as how they believe it's possible for a human to continue existing
beyond the demise of their body.
Netherworld Update: 28 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 1,689,856 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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That's all ? I can live with those numbers. :devil:
Yeah, someone said, "You shall not surely die."
The statement was believed then and its believed now by many.
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†. Gen 2:15-17 . .The Lord God took the man and placed him in the garden
of Eden, to till it and tend it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying:
Of every tree of the garden you are free to eat; but as for the tree of
knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat of it; for in the day you eat of
it, you shall die.
That passage has always been an embarrassment for Bible thumpers
because Adam didn't drop dead the instant he tasted the forbidden fruit. In
point of fact, he continued to live outside the garden of Eden for another 800
years after the birth of his son Seth. (Gen 5:4)
So; is there a reasonable explanation for this apparent discrepancy?
Well; first off let me point out that in order for the threat to resonate in
Adam's thinking; it had to be related to death as Adam understood death in
his day, not as the Bible thumpers understand death in their day. In other
words; Adam didn't expect to die spiritually. No, he expected to die
normally; viz: physically; like as in pass away.
How can I be so sure that God meant normal death instead of spiritual
death? Because according to Gen 3:19 that's how it worked out; and to
make sure Adam stayed normally dead, God blocked his access to the tree
of life. (Gen 3:22-24)
Anyway; the trick is: Adam wasn't told he would die the instant he tasted
the fruit. God's exact words were "in the day"
Well; according to Gen 2:4, the Hebrew word for "day" is a bit ambiguous. It
can easily indicate a period of time much, much longer than 24 hours' viz:
the "day" of Adam's death began the moment he ate the fruit.
That was a milestone in human history. Up till Adam tasted the fruit, the
only days on record were the six of creation, and the one when God ceased
creating. Adam inaugurated a new day by tasting the fruit-- the day of
death.
"Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this
way death came to all men" (Rom 5:12)
Well; like Jack Palance's character Curly in the movie City Slickers said: "The
day ain't over yet"
"It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of gaiety, for
death is the destiny of every man; the living should take this seriously." (Ecc
7:2)
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†. Gen 2:15-17 . .The Lord God took the man and placed him in the garden
of Eden, to till it and tend it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying:
Of every tree of the garden you are free to eat; but as for the tree of
knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat of it; for in the day you eat of
it, you shall die.
That passage has always been an embarrassment for Bible thumpers
because Adam didn't drop dead the instant he tasted the forbidden fruit. In
point of fact, he continued to live outside the garden of Eden for another 800
years after the birth of his son Seth. (Gen 5:4)
So; is there a reasonable explanation for this apparent discrepancy?
Well; first off let me point out that in order for the threat to resonate in
Adam's thinking; it had to be related to death as Adam understood death in
his day, not as the Bible thumpers understand death in their day. In other
words; Adam didn't expect to die spiritually. No, he expected to die
normally; viz: physically; like as in pass away.
How can I be so sure that God meant normal death instead of spiritual
death? Because according to Gen 3:19 that's how it worked out; and to
make sure Adam stayed normally dead, God blocked his access to the tree
of life. (Gen 3:22-24)
Anyway; the trick is: Adam wasn't told he would die the instant he tasted
the fruit. God's exact words were "in the day"
Well; according to Gen 2:4, the Hebrew word for "day" is a bit ambiguous. It
can easily indicate a period of time much, much longer than 24 hours' viz:
the "day" of Adam's death began the moment he ate the fruit.
That was a milestone in human history. Up till Adam tasted the fruit, the
only days on record were the six of creation, and the one when God ceased
creating. Adam inaugurated a new day by tasting the fruit-- the day of
death.
"Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this
way death came to all men" (Rom 5:12)
Well; like Jack Palance's character Curly in the movie City Slickers said: "The
day ain't over yet"
"It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of gaiety, for
death is the destiny of every man; the living should take this seriously." (Ecc
7:2)
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Adam inaugurated a new day by tasting the fruit-- a day of salvation.
Let's say for the sake of discussion that Adam was human. Humans are prone to making mistakes. Adam made a mistake.
The sacrificial Lamb of the Most High was figuratively slain before Adam was created. We all make mistakes but God has it covered.
Amen. :rapture:
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†. Luke 16:25 . . Abraham said to him: Son, remember
I should think that one of the negative aspects of hell is memory. How
people down there retain their memories sans the brain cells they left behind
with their corpse, I don't know; but they do, just as the rich man is able to
experience thirst sans a flesh and blood tongue.
The older one gets, the more memories they accumulate, and many of those
memories haunt us with terrible regret. However, the people in hell not only
have to cope with their bad memories, but also the good ones too, and I
should think it is remembering the good things they enjoyed in life that
makes their situation only worse in the heat. They say it is better to have
loved and lost, rather than not to have loved at all. I disagree. I suspect it is
far better to not know what you're missing. Ignorance really would be bliss
in the once-rich man's situation.
Just think: that poor man is still in anguish down there to this very day;
something like 1,955 years since Luke penned his gospel. In the grand
scheme of things, that man is only just getting started on eternity because
1,955 years is little more than a warm-up for the main event. To put that in
perspective: 60 AD was something like 1,432 years before Columbus
discovered America.
Netherworld Update: 31 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 1,871,222 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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†. Luke 16:25 . . Abraham said to him: Son, remember
I should think that one of the negative aspects of hell is memory. How
people down there retain their memories sans the brain cells they left behind
with their corpse, I don't know; but they do, just as the rich man is able to
experience thirst sans a flesh and blood tongue.
The older one gets, the more memories they accumulate, and many of those
memories haunt us with terrible regret. However, the people in hell not only
have to cope with their bad memories, but also the good ones too, and I
should think it is remembering the good things they enjoyed in life that
makes their situation only worse in the heat. They say it is better to have
loved and lost, rather than not to have loved at all. I disagree. I suspect it is
far better to not know what you're missing. Ignorance really would be bliss
in the once-rich man's situation.
Just think: that poor man is still in anguish down there to this very day;
something like 1,955 years since Luke penned his gospel. In the grand
scheme of things, that man is only just getting started on eternity because
1,955 years is little more than a warm-up for the main event. To put that in
perspective: 60 AD was something like 1,432 years before Columbus
discovered America.
Netherworld Update: 31 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 1,871,222 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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More than that have been saved since 10-30-15, and why don't you tabulate how many have died on gone to heaven since 10-30 ?
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†. Gen 6:5 . .And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the
earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil
continually.
It's freaky to contemplate that the Bible's God has a way to eavesdrop on
one's mental processes on a level with which people are mostly unfamiliar.
†. Matt 15:18-19 . . For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts
So then, it's not how your mind works that defines you, no, it's how your
heart works that defines you; and a man's heart is easily capable of
hoodwinking his own consciousness.
†. Jer 17:9 . . The human heart is most deceitful and desperately wicked.
Who really knows how bad it is?
There is a part of us that psychology labels the subconscious; which in
Freud's opinion is a repository for socially unacceptable ideas, wishes or
desires, traumatic memories, and painful emotions put out of mind by the
mechanism of psychological repression. However, the contents do not
necessarily have to be solely negative. In the psychoanalytic view, the
subconscious is a force that can only be recognized by its effects-- in other
words: your mind's thoughts can be construed not as replicas of your hearts
thoughts; but rather, as symptoms of your heart's thoughts.
The key word in the above is: repression. God is able to de-suppress those
repressed contents and submit them as evidence in the prosecution's case
against the accused. That means He will be confronting people with things
that they never before really knew about themselves; and that's why I
sometimes say only a fool would take their chances with the Bible's God.
They have no clue the extent of the psychological tsunami they're walking
into.
Netherworld Update: 34 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 2,051,968 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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†. Gen 6:5 . .And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the
earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil
continually.
It's freaky to contemplate that the Bible's God has a way to eavesdrop on
one's mental processes on a level with which people are mostly unfamiliar.
†. Matt 15:18-19 . . For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts
So then, it's not how your mind works that defines you, no, it's how your
heart works that defines you; and a man's heart is easily capable of
hoodwinking his own consciousness.
†. Jer 17:9 . . The human heart is most deceitful and desperately wicked.
Who really knows how bad it is?
There is a part of us that psychology labels the subconscious; which in
Freud's opinion is a repository for socially unacceptable ideas, wishes or
desires, traumatic memories, and painful emotions put out of mind by the
mechanism of psychological repression. However, the contents do not
necessarily have to be solely negative. In the psychoanalytic view, the
subconscious is a force that can only be recognized by its effects-- in other
words: your mind's thoughts can be construed not as replicas of your hearts
thoughts; but rather, as symptoms of your heart's thoughts.
The key word in the above is: repression. God is able to de-suppress those
repressed contents and submit them as evidence in the prosecution's case
against the accused. That means He will be confronting people with things
that they never before really knew about themselves; and that's why I
sometimes say only a fool would take their chances with the Bible's God.
They have no clue the extent of the psychological tsunami they're walking
into.
Netherworld Update: 34 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 2,051,968 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
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This is an urban legend.