Truth be told.....
Truth be told.....
You people that say you don't have to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in water are going to Hell.!!
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Hi COGTHW,
Welcome to the forum,
First of all,...its customary for most 'christians' to be baptized in Jesus name. Even if a group uses the Trinitarian formula of Matt. 28:19, the 'Son' is referring to Jesus. I don't think 'God' is that much a ninny-picker, as long as 'Christ' is the focus
If you're a 'Christian', ....all is done in the name of 'Jesus'
anyways.....no matter what 'spin' you put on it. Jesus is the man! :thumb:
Also, John 3:5 does not necessarily imply an actual 'water-baptism', for the being born of water could simply refer to the natural birth via the mothers birth canal or womb,....we are wrapped in a water-bag as it were, when we are in our mother's womb. In fact, the context of this passage seems to indicate that water-birth refers to the first phase of natural physical birth, while the spirit-birth refers tot he second phase of 'spiritual-birth' which is a 'generation' which comes
from above, it is the
'new birth' as it were. There is that which is born of the flesh (water, blood, bones, etc.) and that which is born of the Spirit. The main emphasis of this passage is the spirit! (not water-baptism) See the entire context of the passage
As a final thought on this portion, you cannot easily just send people to 'hell' over some fine point or detail of one's 'method' of baptism, without becoming perhaps unnecessarily 'dogmatic' or 'legalistic' here. We could question your use of the word 'hell' too, since the traditional concept of 'hell' does not always have validity, since this word could refer to 'Sheol, Hades, Gehenna or Tartaroo,....and NOT the traditional concept of the lake of fire,...so using the 'hell' card without proper clarification could be seen as being a religious bully or bigot. Perhaps piping down a bit would be helpful to approach the subject, before consigning other souls to the firey pit over a point of doctrine. A real 'Christian' also wouldn't be threatening others about "going to hell", much less enjoying their suffering in such a place, real or imaginary.
You people are Hell Bound if you think you have the Holy Ghost and never spoke in tongues.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Not necessarily, since while all
can speak in tongues....not all speak in tongues. Consider that. While all can have the experience of being filled with the Spirit and speak with tongues as their spirit speaks.... it can be encouraged,
but does not have to be the sole guarantee or proof of one having received the Spirit. - that can border on dogmatism and legalism making a charismatic manifestation the
'proof' of something happening on an inward level,
which only 'God' can really fully know. In spiritual life and discipleship,...the fruit of the Spirit is actually most essential, while the gifts of the Spirit are encouraged naturally as ministry develops and one is inspired towards different forms of service. On this count, I think some Pentecostal-charismatic groups can get TOO dogmatic in this case,...when the Spirit ought to be allowed to have his way naturally with each person flowing together in harmony, and allowing gifts to flow in their own time.
You people are Hell bound that say it's a "holy trinity"
Again, just because someone chooses to believe in the Trinity, does not necessarily make them 'hell-bound'
Its just a concept of 'God' one has chosen to accept, just like you have chosen to accept a 'concept' of 'God' that fits your understanding or conditioning at this point in time. Many factors affect or influence our belief-system or philosophical leanings. These could change at any point in time as well, if one is willing to learn or change when new or better information or revelation comes along.
On that note, its good to keep an open mind. In the ultimate sense, 'God' is a reality that transcends all thoughts, ideas and concepts...altogether! 'God' is the one, universal, absolute, divine, infinite Spirit-Being or Consciousness that is beyond words....and still more
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
Wonderful,.....'God' is just proclaiming his absolute singleness, uniqueness and solitary nature, of knowing that He is the only source of existence and consciousness, being Himself and knowing Himself....as ONE (echad)
Our exploration of the Shema
here
You can't go against it all you want, that just shows how much Hell bound you are.
Well, that's one 'hell' of a punch line
- One one level,...'heaven' or 'hell' are just states of consciousness,...conditions of mind. So one can be experiencing 'heaven' or 'hell' anywhere they happen to be. You can experience 'heaven' or 'hell' here.....as well as in the spirit-world or the after-life. Such conditions may be modified according to your thoughts, words and actions,....since as long as one is thinking, speaking and acting....he is reaping what he sows,...such is the
law of karma. Before you freak out over the concept of 'karma'...See our thread on this
here if interested in my views on it
I look forward to 'creative dialogue' if you are interested. There is always more to learn :surf:
