So you DO believe in freewill !!! :wave2:
God's Purpose in Jesus Christ
- Thread starter Robert Pate
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Nang
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I believe man was created a willful creature, but his will was subjected to the moral standards of God (Law) through commands given immediately in the garden.
When Adam willfully disobeyed God's commands, Adam lost his God-given ability to willfully cause and effect rightly, and instead came under bondage to Satan . . in body and will.
In effect, the will of man was never really "free." He was created under the Law and commands of God as to how he was to lead a holy life.
After the fall, Adam became enslaved to Satan, and could only exercise his will to sin.
Only by being regenerated in Jesus Christ, is the will of man freed to serve righteousness . . and even then mans' will is eternally subject to the will of God.
Man has a will, but he can only serve one or the other of two Masters . . God or Satan . . so the term "free" will is a misnomer.
Only God is a free-will agent.
There is no scripture that says that Adam lost his free will in the fall. Did not Cain by his own free will murder his brother Abel? Maybe you think that God willed that? What Adam lost in the fall was his relationship with God.
beloved57
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Does invalid comment mean you don't get it or does it means you have a different opinion?
Eschew obfuscation.
You are not able to refute what I say with scripture. All that you do is blow hot air.
beloved57
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Your lies are self refuted. You don't even believe that Christ death alone saved them He died for!
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beloved57
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Invalid means invalid !
Invalid means that he has closed his mind to the truth.
beloved57
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There will not be any invalid when you stand before God in your sins.
1 John 2:2 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
2 and He Himself is the [a]propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
beloved57
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Your false gospel attempts to make Christ death invalid since you believe sinners He died for remain lost !
You twist the scripture to fit your theology. The truth reads;
1 John 2:2 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
The Bible doesn't get it for B57. It has to be written by John Calvin.
beloved57
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You dont even believe the Blood of Christ saves. You believe mans freewill saves !
The freewill of man to choose salvation does save.
Me, myself and I, will call upon the name of the Lord and shall be saved. Romans 10:13.