God's Purpose in Jesus Christ

jamie

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Robert Pate said:
When Adam sinned God withdrew his Spirit from him.
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What did the tree of life symbolize?

"Then the Lord God said, 'Behold, the man has become like one of Us to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever... '" (Genesis 3:22)

Those begotten by the Father have God's Spirit and eternal life.
 
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jamie said:
What did the tree of life symbolize?

"Then the Lord God said, 'Behold, the man has become like one of Us to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever... '" (Genesis 3:22)

Those begotten by the Father have God's Spirit and eternal life.
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The tree of life is guarded because it can only come by way of divine intervention, Jesus Christ is the tree of life.

There was only one begotten of the Father, Jesus Christ.
 
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Nanja said:
Your view of the scriptures is perverted because you are not Born of God.

You're unable to Spiritually Hear God's Words.


John 8:43, 47

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
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So who then did Jesus die for;

1 John 2:1-2 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Christ Is Our Advocate
2 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
 
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jamie said:
What percentage of people do you believe have sinned?

The Father personally judges no one and Jesus was not sent to condemn the world.

Not even those who differ from your strange pronouncements.
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Romans 3:23 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
 
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Robert Pate said:
Before God created the heavens and the earth he knew that it would be corrupted by Satan. God also knew that the crown of his creation (Adam) would sin against him and cause the fall of all of humanity. Adam's sin was no surprise to God. It was God's plan from the foundation of the world that Jesus would be the savior and would atone for the sins of the whole world, Revelation 13:8.

It is not given to us to understand all that was in God's mind in regards to Satan and God's creation. It appears that it was made known in heaven that God was going to create a race of people that the angels in heaven would be subject to. This apparently led to a war in heaven, Revelation 12:7-9. Satan and one third of the angels were cast out of heaven onto the earth. They are still here today. If you don't think so listen to the news. Jesus dealt with them many times.

God's ways are not our ways. God doesn't see things the same way that we do, Isaiah 55:8,9. God sees everything at once, from the beginning to the end. Nor is God bound by time, space or matter. This is why the scripture says,

"But when the fullness of time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law" Galatians 4:4.

Jesus was born under the law, lived under the law and died under the law. Jesus knew the law simply because he was God's law incarnate in human flesh. This is why Paul wrote,

"But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets" Romans 3:21.

Jesus was the epitome of God's law. God said, "This is my Son in whom I am well pleased" Matthew 3:17. Jesus is perfect God and perfect man in one person. He had to be perfect because God required a perfect sacrifice for the sins of man. Jesus comes into the world as God's new Adam and our new humanity. We become new creations in Jesus Christ when we by faith receive God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided for us by Jesus Christ.

"If any man be "In Christ" he is a new creation: old things are passed away: behold all things are become new" 2 Corinthians 5:17.

God and his Son Jesus Christ like new things, a new heaven, a new earth and we as new creations in Jesus Christ, Revelation 21:1. The old creation and the old Adamic humanity have been put to death in Jesus Christ, Romans 6:6. Jesus Christ is God's new creation and his new humanity. As far as God is concerned, sin, death and the devil have been destroyed. God now sees all things in his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:20. This what Paul meant when he told the Colossians that were listening to the traditions of men that they "Were complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power" Colossians 2:10. If you are complete in Jesus Christ then you really don't need anything else then do you?

God's purpose in Jesus Christ has been totally and completely realized in his Son Jesus Christ. The law has been fulfilled and abolished, Ephesians 2:6. The sins of the world have been atoned for, 1 John 2:2. We can now stand before God as complete in his Son Jesus Christ. What more could we want?
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The Son created this world, he came because the Fathers will for the Son was to experience human incarnation successfully in order to achieve sovereignty of his own co-creation. He did just that. Man being somewhat self centered, interpreted the incarnate life as a sacrifice for mans own sins.
 
jamie

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Nang said:
NO! Human nature was created good.
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"For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so and those who are in the flesh cannot please God." (Romans 8:6-8 NASB)
 
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jamie said:
"For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so and those who are in the flesh cannot please God." (Romans 8:6-8 NASB)
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Effect, not cause . . .
 
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