God's Purpose in Jesus Christ

Robert Pate

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Before God created the heavens and the earth he knew that it would be corrupted by Satan. God also knew that the crown of his creation (Adam) would sin against him and cause the fall of all of humanity. Adam's sin was no surprise to God. It was God's plan from the foundation of the world that Jesus would be the savior and would atone for the sins of the whole world, Revelation 13:8.

It is not given to us to understand all that was in God's mind in regards to Satan and God's creation. It appears that it was made known in heaven that God was going to create a race of people that the angels in heaven would be subject to. This apparently led to a war in heaven, Revelation 12:7-9. Satan and one third of the angels were cast out of heaven onto the earth. They are still here today. If you don't think so listen to the news. Jesus dealt with them many times.

God's ways are not our ways. God doesn't see things the same way that we do, Isaiah 55:8,9. God sees everything at once, from the beginning to the end. Nor is God bound by time, space or matter. This is why the scripture says,

"But when the fullness of time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law" Galatians 4:4.

Jesus was born under the law, lived under the law and died under the law. Jesus knew the law simply because he was God's law incarnate in human flesh. This is why Paul wrote,

"But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets" Romans 3:21.

Jesus was the epitome of God's law. God said, "This is my Son in whom I am well pleased" Matthew 3:17. Jesus is perfect God and perfect man in one person. He had to be perfect because God required a perfect sacrifice for the sins of man. Jesus comes into the world as God's new Adam and our new humanity. We become new creations in Jesus Christ when we by faith receive God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided for us by Jesus Christ.

"If any man be "In Christ" he is a new creation: old things are passed away: behold all things are become new" 2 Corinthians 5:17.

God and his Son Jesus Christ like new things, a new heaven, a new earth and we as new creations in Jesus Christ, Revelation 21:1. The old creation and the old Adamic humanity have been put to death in Jesus Christ, Romans 6:6. Jesus Christ is God's new creation and his new humanity. As far as God is concerned, sin, death and the devil have been destroyed. God now sees all things in his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:20. This what Paul meant when he told the Colossians that were listening to the traditions of men that they "Were complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power" Colossians 2:10. If you are complete in Jesus Christ then you really don't need anything else then do you?

God's purpose in Jesus Christ has been totally and completely realized in his Son Jesus Christ. The law has been fulfilled and abolished, Ephesians 2:6. The sins of the world have been atoned for, 1 John 2:2. We can now stand before God as complete in his Son Jesus Christ. What more could we want?
 

jamie

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The law has been fulfilled and abolished

It would have been sin for anyone to add to or subtract from the Father's law.

Had Jesus abolished the Father's law he would not have been raised from the dead.

Death is the penalty for sin.
 

Epoisses

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It would have been sin for anyone to add to or subtract from the Father's law.

Had Jesus abolished the Father's law he would not have been raised from the dead.

Death is the penalty for sin.

God's law goes much deeper than two blocks of stone! Jesus said if we have hate or lust in our heart we are breaking the law before we even do anything. God's law is spiritual and reigns within, it condemns wrong thoughts and desires and passions so you have never kept the law one day in your whole life.
 

Robert Pate

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"For the word of God (the law) is quick and powerful and sharper than any two edged sword piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit and of the joints and marrow and is a discerner of the thoughts and the intent of the heart" Hebrews 4:12.
 

jamie

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"For the word of God (the law) is quick and powerful and sharper than any two edged sword piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit and of the joints and marrow and is a discerner of the thoughts and the intent of the heart" Hebrews 4:12.

Why is that a problem?
 

beloved57

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Before God created the heavens and the earth he knew that it would be corrupted by Satan. God also knew that the crown of his creation (Adam) would sin against him and cause the fall of all of humanity. Adam's sin was no surprise to God. It was God's plan from the foundation of the world that Jesus would be the savior and would atone for the sins of the whole world, Revelation 13:8.

It is not given to us to understand all that was in God's mind in regards to Satan and God's creation. It appears that it was made known in heaven that God was going to create a race of people that the angels in heaven would be subject to. This apparently led to a war in heaven, Revelation 12:7-9. Satan and one third of the angels were cast out of heaven onto the earth. They are still here today. If you don't think so listen to the news. Jesus dealt with them many times.

God's ways are not our ways. God doesn't see things the same way that we do, Isaiah 55:8,9. God sees everything at once, from the beginning to the end. Nor is God bound by time, space or matter. This is why the scripture says,

"But when the fullness of time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law" Galatians 4:4.

Jesus was born under the law, lived under the law and died under the law. Jesus knew the law simply because he was God's law incarnate in human flesh. This is why Paul wrote,

"But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets" Romans 3:21.

Jesus was the epitome of God's law. God said, "This is my Son in whom I am well pleased" Matthew 3:17. Jesus is perfect God and perfect man in one person. He had to be perfect because God required a perfect sacrifice for the sins of man. Jesus comes into the world as God's new Adam and our new humanity. We become new creations in Jesus Christ when we by faith receive God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided for us by Jesus Christ.

"If any man be "In Christ" he is a new creation: old things are passed away: behold all things are become new" 2 Corinthians 5:17.

God and his Son Jesus Christ like new things, a new heaven, a new earth and we as new creations in Jesus Christ, Revelation 21:1. The old creation and the old Adamic humanity have been put to death in Jesus Christ, Romans 6:6. Jesus Christ is God's new creation and his new humanity. As far as God is concerned, sin, death and the devil have been destroyed. God now sees all things in his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:20. This what Paul meant when he told the Colossians that were listening to the traditions of men that they "Were complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power" Colossians 2:10. If you are complete in Jesus Christ then you really don't need anything else then do you?

God's purpose in Jesus Christ has been totally and completely realized in his Son Jesus Christ. The law has been fulfilled and abolished, Ephesians 2:6. The sins of the world have been atoned for, 1 John 2:2. We can now stand before God as complete in his Son Jesus Christ. What more could we want?

You dont even believe the Blood of Christ redeemed all for whom He shed it for ! You are in unbelief !
 

ttruscott

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It is not given to us to understand all that was in God's mind in regards to Satan and God's creation.

We know as the revealed nature of GOD that HE is loving, righteous and holy, that is fully and completely dedicated to HIS loving and righteous self and not deviating. YET you would have us believe that this loving and righteous GOD had full prior knowledge of Satan's evil and the suffering and death he would cause and his horrible end in hell YET CREATED HIM ANY WAY!!! as the loving righteous thing to do???

And not only did HE create Satan as evil to go to hell, a Calvinist idea, HE apparently also created HIS bride in Adam thereby ensuring the she would be corrupt and disgusting until saved from her sin as if that was also a loving and righteous thing to do.

It is indeed given to us to understand these things, to understand that we need not resort to such blasphemy to fill in what we do not know or as yet reject from ignorance. As embarrassing as it is to admit one does not know the answer, it is better than blasphemy. And if our only answer is to blaspheme HIS good name and pretend we are not, then our theology needs some work, eh?
 

Robert Pate

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You teach that even after God has done all He can do, after Christ shed His Blood for one, they still lost !

There is no scripture that says, "Christ shed his blood for ONE".

What it says is that Christ shed his blood for the sins of the WORLD".
 

Epoisses

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We know as the revealed nature of GOD that HE is loving, righteous and holy, that is fully and completely dedicated to HIS loving and righteous self and not deviating. YET you would have us believe that this loving and righteous GOD had full prior knowledge of Satan's evil and the suffering and death he would cause and his horrible end in hell YET CREATED HIM ANY WAY!!! as the loving righteous thing to do???

And not only did HE create Satan as evil to go to hell, a Calvinist idea, HE apparently also created HIS bride in Adam thereby ensuring the she would be corrupt and disgusting until saved from her sin as if that was also a loving and righteous thing to do.

It is indeed given to us to understand these things, to understand that we need not resort to such blasphemy to fill in what we do not know or as yet reject from ignorance. As embarrassing as it is to admit one does not know the answer, it is better than blasphemy. And if our only answer is to blaspheme HIS good name and pretend we are not, then our theology needs some work, eh?

God created Satan and Adam with the full knowledge that they would someday sin and rebel against him. God is omniscient which means he is all knowing and has a full knowledge of the past, present and future. Prophecy is one of the ways that God reveals that he fully knows the future in minute detail.
 

ttruscott

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It is not given to us to understand all that was in God's mind in regards to Satan and God's creation.

We know as the revealed nature of GOD that HE is loving, righteous and holy, that is fully and completely dedicated to HIS loving and righteous self and not deviating. YET you would have us believe that this loving and righteous GOD had full prior knowledge of Satan's evil and the suffering and death he would cause and his horrible end in hell YET CREATED HIM ANY WAY!!! as the loving righteous thing to do???

And not only did HE create Satan as evil to go to hell, a Calvinist idea, HE apparently also created HIS bride in Adam thereby ensuring the she would be corrupt and disgusting until saved from her sin as if that was also a loving and righteous thing to do.

It is indeed given to us to understand these things, to understand that we need not resort to such blasphemy to fill in what we do not know or as yet reject from ignorance. As embarrassing as it is to admit one does not know the answer, it is better than blasphemy. And if our only answer is to blaspheme HIS good name and pretend we do not, then our theology needs some work, eh?
 

ttruscott

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God created Satan and Adam with the full knowledge that they would someday sin and rebel against him. God is omniscient which means he is all knowing and has a full knowledge of the past, present and future. Prophecy is one of the ways that God reveals that he fully knows the future in minute detail.
This little preaching doesn't suggest any answer to the problems I suggested about using the pagan definition of omniscience to apply to YHWH in the least!

So all HE had to do was to not create those HE KNEW would sin and HIS reality would be full of only those who would not sin by their free will and hell would be empty and HE DID NOT DO IT??? Though HE is the source of every good gift? James 1:17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. Show some respect for HIS Loving Holiness, please...

Read Acts 15:18 again in the version of your choice and see if this fits your definition of what HE knows. And of course HE knows what will happen on earth as it is written HE has predestined some sinners to holy lives by predetermining their lives; Acts 4:28 They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen. which also applies to HIS elect ones and does not mean HE knew from time eternity past.



 

Robert Pate

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We know as the revealed nature of GOD that HE is loving, righteous and holy, that is fully and completely dedicated to HIS loving and righteous self and not deviating. YET you would have us believe that this loving and righteous GOD had full prior knowledge of Satan's evil and the suffering and death he would cause and his horrible end in hell YET CREATED HIM ANY WAY!!! as the loving righteous thing to do???

And not only did HE create Satan as evil to go to hell, a Calvinist idea, HE apparently also created HIS bride in Adam thereby ensuring the she would be corrupt and disgusting until saved from her sin as if that was also a loving and righteous thing to do.

It is indeed given to us to understand these things, to understand that we need not resort to such blasphemy to fill in what we do not know or as yet reject from ignorance. As embarrassing as it is to admit one does not know the answer, it is better than blasphemy. And if our only answer is to blaspheme HIS good name and pretend we do not, then our theology needs some work, eh?


God did not create anyone to do evil. They took it upon themselves to do evil by their own free will. There is one thing that God does not create, he does not create robots. Even the angels in heaven have a free will. If you want to rebel against God you have the power to do it, he will not stop you. However there are consequences to sin and rebellion. Because God is holy and righteous he must judge sin.
 

Nanja

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God did not create anyone to do evil.


You LIE against the scriptures!


Prov. 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Job. 21:30
That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.


It's God's prerogative to make His creatures for whatever Purpose He chooses!
 

Robert Pate

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You LIE against the scriptures!


Prov. 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Job. 21:30
That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.


It's God's prerogative to make His creatures for whatever Purpose He chooses!

God does not create evil people. If he did that he would be unjust.

He creates people that choose to be wicked by their own free will.

To believe that God creates life for the purpose of destroying it shows that you have a perverted view of the nature and character of God.
 

Nanja

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God does not create evil people. If he did that he would be unjust.

He creates people that choose to be wicked by their own free will.

To believe that God creates life for the purpose of destroying it shows that you have a perverted view of the nature and character of God.


That's the faulty understanding of a natural man whose mind is blinded to the Truth 2 Cor. 4:3-4!

1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Yeah, you Lie against the Word of God!


Prov. 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
 

Robert Pate

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That's the faulty understanding of a natural man whose mind is blinded to the Truth 2 Cor. 4:3-4!

1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Yeah, you Lie against the Word of God!


Prov. 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.


Your perverted view of the nature and character of God proves that you don't have faith in him.
 

Nanja

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Your perverted view of the nature and character of God proves that you don't have faith in him.

Your view of the scriptures is perverted because you are not Born of God.

You're unable to Spiritually Hear God's Words.


John 8:43, 47

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
 
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