drbrumley
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Of course not, you don't want to know. Or believe.
God is Jesus vs. Jesus is God
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Of course not, you don't want to know. Or believe.
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That is right. They are one and the same. So glad to meet you. So just to clarify, you are not a trinitarian, right?
glorydaz
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John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
glorydaz
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You don't know what a trinitarian is, so why do you ask?
There is only ONE God. It is the distinction between the members of the Godhead you don't understand.
drbrumley
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Define Trinitarian? There is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. 3 in 1...all the same. There is no explanation for it...but I believe it, because God has shown it thru His word.
“Try to define the Trinity and you’ll lose your mind. Deny it and you’ll lose your soul.”
And that's the plain unadulterated truth.
glorydaz
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"Tempted with evil"......not the same as being tested by God.
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1Mind1Spirit
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The phrase God the son has rubbed me the wrong way in times past.
Mainly due to my dislike of isms.
But after trying to reason out my last question, it came to me that James is speaking of God the Father.
James 1:13
“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:”
While Moses was speaking of God the son.
Gen 22:1
And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
I don't know if those who use that term see it that way or not.
But I would like to thank @cobra2003 for starting this thread.
Mainly due to my dislike of isms.
But after trying to reason out my last question, it came to me that James is speaking of God the Father.
James 1:13
“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:”
While Moses was speaking of God the son.
Gen 22:1
And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
I don't know if those who use that term see it that way or not.
But I would like to thank @cobra2003 for starting this thread.
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If you can't explain it, then it is not defendable.
drbrumley
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Ok, how can the finite comprehend the infinite? I mean if you want to go that route, God made the heavens and the earth...How? Do you know how God did it? All I know is God spoke it. And there it was. I can't explain the process, can you? If not, you really cannot sit there and say it is not defendable.
glorydaz
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The phrase God the son has rubbed me the wrong way in times past.
Mainly due to my dislike of isms.
But after trying to reason out my last question, it came to me that James is speaking of God the Father.
James 1:13
“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:”
While Moses was speaking of God the son.
Gen 22:1
And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
I don't know if those who use that term see it that way or not.
But I would like to thank @cobra2003 for starting this thread.
Then you think God the Son tempted Abraham, but not God the Father?
God tempts no man with evil (whether it be Father, Son, or Holy Ghost).
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We are speaking about doctrine.
The trinitarians say the Father and the Son are not the same. Is that what you believe?
drbrumley
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I have never met a Trinitarian who ever told me that.
1Mind1Spirit
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What in the world are you talking about!
1Mind1Spirit
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So you don't believe Father is omniscient?
12 “Don’t lay a hand on the boy!” the angel said. “Do not hurt him in any way, for now I know that you truly fear God. You have not withheld from me even your son, your only son.”
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Then you don't know enough to discuss what the trinitarians say.
Let's just talk about you then.
So you believe that the Father and the Son are the same; good.
drbrumley
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It's obvious you are not a fan of Trinitarians...so who here is?
I know [MENTION=3801]keypurr[/MENTION] has a rather warped view, same as [MENTION=13959]meshak[/MENTION] as they are antitrinitarian to the core. .
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glorydaz
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I don't believe that. The Hebrew word includes "to prove". I think you should look further.
The context belies it, anyway. Abraham was obeying God. It is not evil to obey God.
James 1:12-15 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
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