Give me biblical support for Christmas.
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You just don't know what Jesus teaches like many Trinitarians.
ummm yes it could...and no amount of fuh fuh fuh will distract from the fact that they too merely wished to celebrate an event as you...
what's more beyond the Hebrews being able to say "you bring the sin in" is to their defense that they only heard the prohibition once and under extreme duress...perhaps a thunderclaps muddled the specifics on false worship or creating images...they just said a hasty I DO when asked to swear...you on the other hand have the entire record of their demise in persisting to compromise with the heathen around them and implement their practices to worship as not instructed..."but we thought of you"...you have clear and specific teaching to live as He did and not add to the word and its traditions is implied...and you have agreed to voluntarily sacrifice your ALL in pursuit and gratitude for what He did for you...died to yourself and testified to others you are not your own but HIS desirous to do HIS WILL HIS WAY...
but alas...whatever...meh...you persist...no need to repent seek restoration but merely accuse any who you don't agree with dat they be bringin' da sin in with them...
"Christmas is full of people. You'll always get a mixed bag. But it's not inherently anything other than a celebration of God and the act that began our redemption." By this statement you make Christmas the beginning act of our redemption and reject all that was done before...understandably...you HAVE TO in order to distort to your liking and will your vanity to celebrate as you please...
LOL...the irony...
Sunday morning celebrations of the MASS that is the death of the creator and alleging His resurrection on the day of the sun...is EXACTLY ignoring what was done and ESTABLISHED at creation the seventh day Sabbath. Yours now elevate the cross even above that which was specifically outlined and given to His people...yours now elevate distort the cross in order to claim all before it was NULL and made VOID...as if in vain...
The fellows down at the Presbyterian church should recall a time they too attempted a higher standard then "go along to get along" they too should return to God's calendar...as even a poster here in this thread posted...fine Protestants protesting the Mass they were indeed...
you are not stamping your foot a lot not to preserve your arch but to maintain your defiled heart...it of course sees no defilement in what you practice...as was said...not what comes in defiles but that what already is in defiles...causes you to blame me for bringing the sin rather than see it for yourself...that you are not at odds with the catholic mass of Christ...
Eve made a choice...she lied prior...she too saw it beautiful and rationalized it can't be bad...that is vanity...you and her both claim she was led into temptation...which should absolve her when she blamed the snake but it did NOT did it...
you are loathe to go into my understanding but demand rather a foundation...here it is...DO AS HE DID...His way not yours...and your pretty words and clever retorts...
Sometimes...sometimes your loathing obstructs your reading...
Fornication is often associated with adultery and idolatry...loving Him a way He did not prescribe is associated with idolatry...you insisting I bring the sin to what you do is your "but I was thinking of Him" will in the act of not loving Him as He outlined...actually exactly NOT as He outlined, His calendar, His way...and that HE HATES...DETESTS...calls an ABOMINATION...jealousy is His name...
But you reason since it was done the first time...no need to do it accurately or in accordance to scripture...
Recall it was not the golden calf itself but that it was at all...even with a photo of Him who rescued them a truer likeness it would still have been an abomination...
'you are bringin da sin'...lol...hey it does work...I don't believe anyone reading you can be confused about your admiration and where it vests. You see, you know, you're etc. And you think vanity is other people's problem?lain:
If I boast it is in Him for He has showed me what He wills...I can not boast on my own as I know how often I fail myself and seek peer affection and of this world and not His HIS WAY...
"But who can discern their own errors? Forgive my hidden faults” (Psalm 19:12).
This from a man called after His own heart. This is the spirit of true contritution...the spirit of the sacrifice for sins we don't even know we committed...as the Passover is..."Forgive them for they know NOT what they do"
I repent when I cause the weaker brother to stumble...I can not cause you and yours to stumble...you are too secure...Now that's a definite and unambiguously overreaching lie. Caught? Forced? No, convicted. How did you come to repent, from an over abundance of virtue?
I merely speak to as what He did and did not do...no bday cake...no need for it...
I am no pope...I desire His way...His means...and since you insist to persist that is the end of the matter...I will merely pray "forgive the Town Heretic for he knows not what he does"...
obedience never merited grace is true but when we realize what was done for us our gratitude compels it...we desire to be with Him and do JUST AS He did...kinda like you desire to celebrate His birth...kinda
yup just said that...we were failing even before we started to try...but now some of us are trying new things new ways...not just continuing as we were or following after others around us and expecting grace to keep us to "go and sin no more"
you determine to say what is a sin...you claim I bring it to your celebration...if it is not sin how can you sin?
if Christendom itself veers of the path of the Way...His way...well so be it...my desire to be His includes your being with us living and loving JUST AS HE DID...not to hold it over you...
He did condemn it...doing His Father's will included not countering His desire for true worship with vanity...ask the dead Hebrews who though otherwise and sought to please not only Him but themselves...as you doThat was a courageous dodge.
Yes there is God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost...I do not deny that...
All of them opposed to traditions developed by man even if (or especially in) vain attempts to better worship Him than He specifically outlined...
A true Father does not give a rock when asked for bread from His children...and His children shouldn't share pebbles as food...
S ee? That wasn't so hard, saying what you really wanted to say instead of pretending to be interested in what I had to say.
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S ee? That wasn't so hard, saying what you really wanted to say instead of pretending to be interested in what I had to say.
you only say that 'cause you're a mainstreamer
S ee? That wasn't so hard, saying what you really wanted to say instead of pretending to be interested in what I had to say.
Nope, I was exposing your pretentiousness.
Right. Though why not just use the quote function?
No, I don't and I told you why the last time you wrote that.
There's nothing ironic in it. It's pointing out another flaw in your approach.
See, your Catholic hostility is throwing shadows all over this conversation. I omit the part that completely misses the plain truth I related in my last. Quote that and deal with it if you like. Else, find a priest, again, and hash out the rest. Here's the simple logic that escapes you: pointing out the value of one thing in no way inherently devalues another.
Seriously, you don't have to keep hammering the point. It's impossible to miss your feeling of moral superiority, even when you masked it with others uncompromising...though that one lasted about as long as it took me to suggest you meant you.
Or you're proud, wrong, and assumptive.
Only one of us is casting blame. I'm simply telling you that you create a sin that you should then avoid. But you aren't creating it for me.
Everyone does. Do you think you're better than Eve? Or are you simply forgiven?
I think you're doing enough of the loathing for both of us. It's peculiar.
You appear to have an issue with my rhetorical ability. You try to reduce it to something you can look down on, which seems to be a theme for you.
I'd agree you do that a great deal, read sin and horror into silence.
That's still not a remotely close representation of my answer, but if the truth pains you I suppose you have to go with another option.
I get you. Your God is the law and your worship is loathing, judgment and chastisement. You think that's novel and true, but it's only painful and needless. The law demonstrated our insufficiency, but the cross wasn't erected to condemn us, but to save us in an act of love.
Odd how often you show upon in a sentence purporting to be about Him. When you speak for Him instead of Him you boast.
These are not acts absent will or realization. Who recalls half their failings in a day?
I spoke to will, not memory.
If I said it you'd accuse me of self-justification. But the fact is we cannot apply that without context or all of Christendom grinds to a halt for fear of someone's misunderstanding.
No one, least of all me, has argued about whether or not Jews celebrated birthdays, though what is celebrated with Christ is a bit larger than the literal day. Rather, it is marked as something unique in the history of man, just as angels, shepherds, wise men, and the God who set a star over Bethlehem noted.
And yet you pronounce on matters of faith in a voice that leaves no observable room for fallibility.
While I find the judgment arrogant, the sentiment that flows from it is wonderful at the end. I think that's probably what should have happened between us after a pass. I will pray for you and you for me and God will work out His desire in both of us.
I've been having that argument with our Catholic brethren for ages. And others tied up in works. I love my neighbor and seek the good because I find pleasure in His pleasure. Love is compelling. Gratitude in love is overwhelming.
You're the one between us accusing the other of sin. Rather, I said, "To say a thing is not a sin is not to say, "I sin NOT".
If I did then I did a poor job of what I meant to say, which was that you attempt it and that it would be a sin in your house.
That's the Pope in you again, and a bit of vanity, assuming that the error is in the greater part of those who love Him. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's improbability should at least make us humble and careful, and meek in approach.
You want me to be righteous as you see it. And so long as the concern is for me it's good. But concern for me should evidence itself in how you approach me and the thing you believe is an unintended corruption.
Spoken prior and answered prior.
But I didn't ask that, so your yes isn't a yes and that's a problem for you.
I won't ask you again. Silence can be a sort of answer.
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See, I answered with the word of God. You just wasted time getting to your insults.
Good day.
You are trying to put word into his mouth. It is typical tactic to call other Christians who don't agree with your doctrine heretical.
You label Christians who don't agree with your doctrine "heretic" or "non-believer" is not such loving Christian thing to do.
You just parrot your few slogan of your doctrines and expect others to do the same. if they don't they are "heretical".
See, I answered with the word of God. You just wasted time getting to your insults.
Good day.
You insulted clefty plenty with pretentiousness.
You have done plenty to me with me or with others behind my back.
I know you believe that, but all it reduces to is you offering an insult, again. And that really doesn't set you apart from your complaint, does it.
On the point, I've answered insult here and there, but stepped around it more often than not and omitted a good deal of his insult to remove the temptation to respond more harshly.
See how easy it is to be done with all the posturing and false inquiry and get to what really matters to you. You felt slighted and here was a chance to unload. Not even really about clefty, is it.
No, I never did. I've never spoken of you privately with anyone here. My comments remain public record.
There was this one time when you literally made a thread aimed at me and after I answered the OP you put me on ignore then continued to talk about me...which was funny. But that's not behind anything you didn't erect.
No, nothing in that could be fairly and honestly described as attempting that. Rather, I asked him if Jesus is God. I asked him three times.
It's not a tactic and I asked him to define himself within the orthodoxy of Christendom. He understands that. He chose to do something else.
Rather, I recognize that those who do not subscribe to orthodoxy of Christian belief in the trinity are by definition heretics. It's not a judgment I'm passing. It's a fact I'm recognizing. As simple as owning a dictionary and having an answer on the point.
No, I don't spend much time on it unless I first read someone like you taking exception to scripture, as you do with Paul. Or someone like Clefty writing against the trinity, which I recalled from not long ago. I asked him again to be sure I wasn't mistaken. It's a serious thing and not a point I want to assume where there's any chance of my attributing a thing through a fault of memory.
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You said that already. All you're exposing is your grudge and temper.
When did I suggest you were either?
I read your discourse with one of the posters here.
You were trying so hard to prove I am non-believer.
It was long, long discussion.
Not too many people try to slander so hard like you do with friendly manner.
You are always speak like gentleman yet what you say is so negative message.
That's my point. At least you claim to be saved. this is not humble attitude. Jesus is the Judge. You are self-clamed saved one. You are not the Judge, remember?
Sure. John 3:16
Certainty in Christ isn't proud, meshak. Placing faith in how good you are or how much you do, that would be proud. Nothing in me merited salvation. It was a gift and I'm grateful for it.
That does not say you are saved.
then you need to stop claiming your are saved. It is not your position. And you need to stop belittling Christians as heretics just because they don't agree with your doctrines.
meshak still suffers from stupidity, so sad
good day, PJ.