Gay Rights or Freedom of Religion and Speech?

rexlunae

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Religious freedom for Christian congregations is seen as Anti-Gay.

Same sex marriage will require religious officials to solemnize marriages to which they object based on religious doctrine. Same sex marriage laws requires churches to make facilities equally available for same-sex marriage ceremonies. As a result this has exposed churches to civil lawsuits for discriminating against same-sex marriages.

I'm pretty sure everything in this post is false. It's actually quite impressive.
 

CherubRam

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To our own harm, our children's harm, and our nations harm, we have not kept this commandment.

Leviticus 20:13. KJV
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

The love of one's neighbor as one's own self has detoured us.
 

TracerBullet

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I recently learned that the Church of God changed marriage as a church function, to a pastors prerogative for members. I understand that other congregations have done like wise. This was done to protect church properties. This was all due to same sex marriage being made lawful. After that law passed Gays went to different congregations, to see if they would be denied. The purpose was to bring law suits against the Christian congregations, and obtain their properties.

you are being fed a pile of bull. No church or minister of any religion is required to marry anyone. About a year ago a minister in Alabama refused to marry an interracial couple and....nothing happened because what he did was perfectly legal.
 

TracerBullet

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To our own harm, our children's harm, and our nations harm, we have not kept this commandment.

Leviticus 20:13. KJV
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

The love of one's neighbor as one's own self has detoured us.

just to clarify - are you advocating the killing of people here?
 

shagster01

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Reply: Marriage is a religious concept.

So non-religious people should not be able to get married then, correct?


Reply: #1. Gays want speaking out against Homosexuality made a hate speech and unlawful.

So? They can want a million dollars. What they want here has nothing to do with the Indiana law.

You pose the question "Free speech or religious freedom." Why is it either/or? If Christians and gays could learn to compromise, we wouldn't have these problems.

#2. Christians spend their time considering and teaching about all aspect of life.

But they spend more time on homosexuality then, say, gluttony, which is by far a more wide spread problem. Why is that?


Reply: No, it is Gays who want to be accepted without change.

How many other people must change to non-sinners to join your church?
 

Puppet

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How do gays differ from atheism? Why pat atheism on the back while slapping gays on the face? You give atheists rights, right?
 

Alate_One

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Religious freedom for Christian congregations is seen as Anti-Gay.

Same sex marriage will require religious officials to solemnize marriages to which they object based on religious doctrine. Same sex marriage laws requires churches to make facilities equally available for same-sex marriage ceremonies. As a result this has exposed churches to civil lawsuits for discriminating against same-sex marriages.

What are you even talking about? You don't need religious officials to solemnize marriage. You can get married by almost anyone.

Plus many churches *already* discriminate about who they will marry, between heterosexual couples. Many won't marry you if you haven't taken their class or aren't a member of their church. There haven't been any lawsuits from that practice.

You're harping on a boogeyman that doesn't exist.
 

Delmar

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Gay Rights or Freedom of Religion and Speech?

Which is more important?

Should the people be made to give up their religious beliefs, and freedom of speech, for Homosexuals?

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,...

Indiana governor: New law 'not about discrimination'
http://news.yahoo.com/pence-effort-clarify-religious-objections-law-underway-050406066.html

Righteousness is the new evil, but it is not like it wasn't predicted.

2 Timothy 4:3-4

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
 

Alate_One

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I still haven't gotten an explanation on how allowing FOR PROFIT businesses to refuse to serve anyone based on a religious freedom objection is supported by Christian teaching.

How the Indiana Law is Different

The other issue here is actually generating the backlash you're so afraid of, over something that isn't even scriptural.
 

aikido7

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Gay Rights or Freedom of Religion and Speech?

Which is more important?

Should the people be made to give up their religious beliefs, and freedom of speech, for Homosexuals?

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,...

Indiana governor: New law 'not about discrimination'
http://news.yahoo.com/pence-effort-clarify-religious-objections-law-underway-050406066.html

Christianity does not want to give human rights to gays. This is why I keep trying to point out the similarities between Islamic Shari'a Law and "Christian Shari'a Law."

If that be blasphemy, then so be it.
 

Lighthouse

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Why are so many liberals opposed to having both? I know why right wing Christians are opposed to it, but why are the liberals?
 

genuineoriginal

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Easy, freedom of speech is more important and its constitutional, gay rights aren't constitutional. But then too many do not care about the constitution anymore.

Gay rights are in the constitution as well, in the Sixth Amendment:
". . .the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed. . ."
 

genuineoriginal

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You pose the question "Free speech or religious freedom." Why is it either/or? If Christians and gays could learn to compromise, we wouldn't have these problems.

Which is it?
Do you want Christians to compromise their beliefs or do you want gays to compromise their sexual habits?
 

Lighthouse

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Gay rights are in the constitution as well, in the Sixth Amendment:
". . .the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed. . ."
:chuckle:
 

CherubRam

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I still haven't gotten an explanation on how allowing FOR PROFIT businesses to refuse to serve anyone based on a religious freedom objection is supported by Christian teaching.

How the Indiana Law is Different

The other issue here is actually generating the backlash you're so afraid of, over something that isn't even scriptural.

It is called "ostracizing." Os·tra·cize, to exclude (someone) from a society or group.

Again, marriage is a religious concept. It is for a man and a woman.

Genesis 2:24
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
 

TracerBullet

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Did you read any of links that came up on your google search?

For instance the first link City threatens to arrest ministers who refuse to perform same-sex weddings isn't about a church it is about a registered as for profit business. It isn't a church or place of worship, its a storefront selling drive through weddings (there is sanctity of marriage for you) as a for profit business that means that means the owners must comply with a local and state nondiscrimination ordinance.
 
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