Of course, I'm guided by the Holy Spirit.
Freewill religion is the Man of Sin !
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Of course, I'm guided by the Holy Spirit.
beloved57
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As Many as Received Him !
As Many as Received Him !
Jn 1:12,13
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name !
Now the antichrist crowd have had a field day in corrupting the scripture in order to fulfill their man glorifying false doctrine of freewill, teaching that man here is being offered a gift that he must take to receive salvation ; but a more Christ denying lie could not have been told. This receiving here has all to do with the New Birth which is pointed out in the very next verse 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
We receive New Birth from above Jn 3:27
27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
When a Person receives the New Birth they are them seized by God, and thats what the word received means in Jn 1:12
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
This is True because this receiving gave them the Right to be called the Children of God, which only the New Birth verifies Gal 4:5-6
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Thats what the receiving means, its the result of God sending the Spirit of His Son in our Hearts !
Now the word receive in Jn 1:12 is the greek word lambanó and means:
I receive, get, (b) I take, lay hold of.
And here its an aorist indicative active verb which can be translated to mean that the subject was acted upon, as to be seized upon.
For instance the same word lambanó is used here Lk 5:26
26 And they were all amazed, and they glorified God, and were filled with fear, saying, We have seen strange things to day.
In the original it reads "and amazement seized all " and its in the same greek construction of aorist indicative active , the point being they received the feeling or affection of amazement, but the feeling of amazement they received was not something offered to them to either feel it or not according to their freewill !
Again Lk 7:16
16 And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.
In the original it reads " seized moreover fear all" In other words they received fear, not because it was offered to them, it just sovereignly came upon them !
When a person receives the New Birth, the Spirit of God seizes him or her, and thats how they receive Christ, by receiving His Spirit in their Heart Gal 4:6
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Receiving the Spirit of Christ in our hearts is the same as receiving Him Jn 1:12
And of course that is what confirms that we belong to Him Rom 8:9
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
So next time the false teaching of antichrist raises its head, and try to tell us that Jn 1:12 is to mean that men must take a gift that is offered them, they can again be shown to be liars, and that they are only attempting to glorify their idol of a supposed freewill of man !
As Many as Received Him !
Jn 1:12,13
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name !
Now the antichrist crowd have had a field day in corrupting the scripture in order to fulfill their man glorifying false doctrine of freewill, teaching that man here is being offered a gift that he must take to receive salvation ; but a more Christ denying lie could not have been told. This receiving here has all to do with the New Birth which is pointed out in the very next verse 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
We receive New Birth from above Jn 3:27
27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
When a Person receives the New Birth they are them seized by God, and thats what the word received means in Jn 1:12
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
This is True because this receiving gave them the Right to be called the Children of God, which only the New Birth verifies Gal 4:5-6
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Thats what the receiving means, its the result of God sending the Spirit of His Son in our Hearts !
Now the word receive in Jn 1:12 is the greek word lambanó and means:
I receive, get, (b) I take, lay hold of.
And here its an aorist indicative active verb which can be translated to mean that the subject was acted upon, as to be seized upon.
For instance the same word lambanó is used here Lk 5:26
26 And they were all amazed, and they glorified God, and were filled with fear, saying, We have seen strange things to day.
In the original it reads "and amazement seized all " and its in the same greek construction of aorist indicative active , the point being they received the feeling or affection of amazement, but the feeling of amazement they received was not something offered to them to either feel it or not according to their freewill !
Again Lk 7:16
16 And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.
In the original it reads " seized moreover fear all" In other words they received fear, not because it was offered to them, it just sovereignly came upon them !
When a person receives the New Birth, the Spirit of God seizes him or her, and thats how they receive Christ, by receiving His Spirit in their Heart Gal 4:6
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Receiving the Spirit of Christ in our hearts is the same as receiving Him Jn 1:12
And of course that is what confirms that we belong to Him Rom 8:9
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
So next time the false teaching of antichrist raises its head, and try to tell us that Jn 1:12 is to mean that men must take a gift that is offered them, they can again be shown to be liars, and that they are only attempting to glorify their idol of a supposed freewill of man !
blackbirdking
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Sinners that are not sinners at all, right? He wouldn't have to send a savior at all if He already viewed them as sacred and holy. Problem: Calvinistic glasses
Please put them on because God elected you, but you have to dress yourself.
Wonder why they had to be told to put on righteous behavior if they were elect to be righteous. "Oops, forgot to predetermine that part."
No more...????
Let's take off our Calvinistic glasses again: Rom 5:8-10
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Why can't I get it? Aaah, forgot my Glasses. Oh now I see; God's enemies weren't really enemies, He just thought they were. They were really His dearly beloved elect. (maybe Paul forgot his Glasses too)
beloved57
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The works of Abraham
The works of Abraham
Jn 8:39
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Gal 3:7
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Rom 4:12
And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
The works of Abraham here in Jn 8:39 means the same as his Faith acts, and so it shall be demonstrated that Faith/ Believing is nothing short of a work, a work that the person does, after all faith without works is dead James 2:24,26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Now Jn 8:39 does have in mind such Faith activity as Abraham's act of Faith here Heb 11:17-19
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
Abraham obeyed in that he mentally sacrificed his son, even without the literial, physical, and actual obedience occuring ; for man can only see the outward acts, but God seeth the heart, inward works or acts, and accordingly God saw that Abraham had performed the deed or the act or the work of sacrificing isaac his only beloeved son in his heart, so that the scripture saith Heb 11:17, he sacrificed isaac, which word sacrifce in the greek is in the perfect tense, so Abraham's Work or deed of sacrificing isaac was an act of the mind, it was faith in action, but in nthe mind or heart !
Now understand this, in the same line of reasoning, a work of the flesh is adultry Gal 5:19
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Which work can be done by the heart or mind Matt 5:28
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Lusting after a women in our heart is actually doing the deed or the work of the flesh !
Also, for you who want to be technical, the word heart here in Matt 5:28 also means the mind, its the word kardia and means:
the heart; mind, character, inner self, will, intention, center.
In fact the heart mostly means mind here 1 Cor 2:9
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart or mind of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
specifically, of the understanding, the faculty and seat of intelligence
So believing or Faith is a work of the mind, and of course if we teach that one is saved or Justified before God because we believed or acted faith, then we are teaching salvation or justification before God based on our work ! Thats condemned by scripture, because its by Grace that one is saved, through Faith, and that not of ourselves, NOT OF WORKS lest any man should boast Eph 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
So if we believe that we are saved because of an act of our faith based upon this scripture, then it means we do not understand faith in this context, because it cannot mean something which the passage surely denies, and that is Salvation by our works !
The works of Abraham
Jn 8:39
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Gal 3:7
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Rom 4:12
And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
The works of Abraham here in Jn 8:39 means the same as his Faith acts, and so it shall be demonstrated that Faith/ Believing is nothing short of a work, a work that the person does, after all faith without works is dead James 2:24,26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Now Jn 8:39 does have in mind such Faith activity as Abraham's act of Faith here Heb 11:17-19
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
Abraham obeyed in that he mentally sacrificed his son, even without the literial, physical, and actual obedience occuring ; for man can only see the outward acts, but God seeth the heart, inward works or acts, and accordingly God saw that Abraham had performed the deed or the act or the work of sacrificing isaac his only beloeved son in his heart, so that the scripture saith Heb 11:17, he sacrificed isaac, which word sacrifce in the greek is in the perfect tense, so Abraham's Work or deed of sacrificing isaac was an act of the mind, it was faith in action, but in nthe mind or heart !
Now understand this, in the same line of reasoning, a work of the flesh is adultry Gal 5:19
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Which work can be done by the heart or mind Matt 5:28
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Lusting after a women in our heart is actually doing the deed or the work of the flesh !
Also, for you who want to be technical, the word heart here in Matt 5:28 also means the mind, its the word kardia and means:
the heart; mind, character, inner self, will, intention, center.
In fact the heart mostly means mind here 1 Cor 2:9
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart or mind of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
specifically, of the understanding, the faculty and seat of intelligence
So believing or Faith is a work of the mind, and of course if we teach that one is saved or Justified before God because we believed or acted faith, then we are teaching salvation or justification before God based on our work ! Thats condemned by scripture, because its by Grace that one is saved, through Faith, and that not of ourselves, NOT OF WORKS lest any man should boast Eph 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
So if we believe that we are saved because of an act of our faith based upon this scripture, then it means we do not understand faith in this context, because it cannot mean something which the passage surely denies, and that is Salvation by our works !
blackbirdking
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Everything posted is based upon one's personal view of God. Beloved, you have an extremely poor opinion of God, based upon what you write about Him. If God is like you portray Him to be, you don't really know if your elect or not; when you write about Him, it seems like you're aware of that.
beloved57
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Evasion and Rabbit trailing !
beloved57
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1 Tim 2:4
1 Tim 2:4
1 Tim 2:4
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
If this scripture meant that its God's will or desire or intention, that all men without exception be saved and come into the Knowledge of the Truth, and yet that is not what comes to pass as God so willed it to be, so then we must conclude that God's Will or wish or want or intention was disappointed, it failed of fulfilled expectation or desire . It is written even of the Righteous man this Prov 10:24
The fear of the wicked, it shall come upon him: but the desire of the righteous shall be granted.
But the Righteous God, His desire is thwarted or not granted, its successfully opposed by the will of satan and man. The devil prevents men from believing and being saved here Lk 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Now if 1 Tim 2:4 meant all without exception were to be saved and come to the knowledge of Truth, that being God's desire or will, and then cometh the devil and prevents that as described in Lk 8:12, then the devil was successful in preventing God's Will for that individual !
There is no other conclusion to come to ! But frankly, I believe that those who believe and teach that way, that 1 Tim 2:4 is meant for all men without exception, and know that it shall never happen according to Gods intent and purpose, are nothing but idolaters who worship a false god of their own filthy imagination !
1 Tim 2:4
1 Tim 2:4
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
If this scripture meant that its God's will or desire or intention, that all men without exception be saved and come into the Knowledge of the Truth, and yet that is not what comes to pass as God so willed it to be, so then we must conclude that God's Will or wish or want or intention was disappointed, it failed of fulfilled expectation or desire . It is written even of the Righteous man this Prov 10:24
The fear of the wicked, it shall come upon him: but the desire of the righteous shall be granted.
But the Righteous God, His desire is thwarted or not granted, its successfully opposed by the will of satan and man. The devil prevents men from believing and being saved here Lk 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Now if 1 Tim 2:4 meant all without exception were to be saved and come to the knowledge of Truth, that being God's desire or will, and then cometh the devil and prevents that as described in Lk 8:12, then the devil was successful in preventing God's Will for that individual !
There is no other conclusion to come to ! But frankly, I believe that those who believe and teach that way, that 1 Tim 2:4 is meant for all men without exception, and know that it shall never happen according to Gods intent and purpose, are nothing but idolaters who worship a false god of their own filthy imagination !
heir
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Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
heir
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God will have all men (without exception) to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth AND at some point, Paul was sent no longer to the Jew first and also to the Greek, but to ALL MEN (without distinction)! That's why it says, to be testified in due time.
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
God will save ANYONE no matter who they are or what they were doing while they were there when they trust the Lord believing 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV.
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heir
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Your flat out refusal to rightly divide the word of truth leaves you to your vain imaginations...
God is calling ALL men without exception or distinction! God will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth! There is no one that Christ did not die for! There is no one that God won't save! God will save ANYONE today who will trust in the faith of Jesus Christ and His finished work on the cross in their place (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV).
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blackbirdking
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Everything posted is based upon one's personal view of God. Beloved, you have an extremely poor opinion of God, based upon what you write about Him. If God is like you portray Him to be, you don't really know if your elect or not; when you write about Him, it seems like you're aware of that.
Or, God willed that all men have a will to decide for themselves.
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it. Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right; If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die. None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal. When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby. But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby. Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.
Even a Calvinist should be able to understand this.
Or, God willed that all men have a will to decide for themselves.
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it. Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right; If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die. None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal. When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby. But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby. Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.
Even a Calvinist should be able to understand this.
heir
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John 3:16 KJV is not about Christ dying, but about Isaiah 9:6 KJV
You had no hope in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (time past Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV) had God not had a mystery and yet look at you mixing it all together..
That remnant which God foreknew was gathered at the close of the Acts period and did not include you.
We're not sheep.
First of all, you cannot show in Matthew that "Christ died for our sins" as the good news. Secondly, WHY will those be able to inherit the kingdom prepared for them? It is not as you say, but:
Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Those will bless Israel during the time of Jacob's trouble and be blessed at the second coming. It's future for the nations that are present during the trib. It has NOTHING to do with anyone in the dispensation of the grace of God or the church which is His Body! We're not there!
Matthew 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Why will the goats be cast into everlasting fire? Is it because as you say, that He didn't love them? NO!
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Matthew 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Matthew 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
And of course, this is referring to the time of Jacob's trouble, the Great Tribulation and them blessing Israel. It happens AFTER the body of Christ has already been caught up! In other words, this has NOTHING to do with the church, which is His Body nor some imagination that you have cooked up in your mind.
musterion
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Then throw your Bible in the trash and never look at one again. If you're right, it can't be trusted: from Genesis to Revelation, God is shown presenting sinful people with clear either/or choices. If He cannot lie, that means HE believes they have the power to understand what He says and to choose one way or the other.
Your paganized Augustinian fatalism denies all this. It leads you to claim you know better than God what man is and isn't capable of. Thus you - and all disciples of Augustine - deny the abundantly plain teaching of God's Word.
I honestly wonder how you can not see this. Perhaps you are insane. In any case, you are a blasphemer. Repent of it.
beloved57
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heir
Gentile Elect always had Hope, The Gospel was Preached to Abraham centuries before the NT that said Gen 12:1-3
Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
That was Gentile Salvation Gal 3:8
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Thats the same Justification promised to Israel Isa 45:25
25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
So obviously you ignorant to what Eph 2:11-12 means !
Gentile Elect always had Hope, The Gospel was Preached to Abraham centuries before the NT that said Gen 12:1-3
Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
That was Gentile Salvation Gal 3:8
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Thats the same Justification promised to Israel Isa 45:25
25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
So obviously you ignorant to what Eph 2:11-12 means !
beloved57
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What scripture says that ? Provide the scripture that staes:
In the mean time the conclusions of post 987 stand unrefuted. Maybe you dont understand the points I made there, please explain to me what I said there, the points I made and the Logic used by me to get them !
What scripture says that ? Provide the scripture that staes:
In the mean time the conclusions of post 987 stand unrefuted. Maybe you dont understand the points I made there, please explain to me what I said there, the points I made and the Logic used by me to get them !
beloved57
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Did you understand post 984 and the points made ? Why dont you explain what I posted there and show how its not biblical !
beloved57
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heir
The remnant of Rom 11:5 is speaking of of a remnant of jews according to the election of grace, but there was also a remnant of gentiles according to the Election of Grace foreknown by God Acts 15:14-18
14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17 That the residue or remnant of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
That word known means foreknown, known before Hand, they belonged to the Foreknown of God Rom 8:29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
So there was a remnant of the Election of Grace out of the jews and likewise out of the Gentiles ! Now what you have to say ? You have been shown your ignorance again !
The remnant of Rom 11:5 is speaking of of a remnant of jews according to the election of grace, but there was also a remnant of gentiles according to the Election of Grace foreknown by God Acts 15:14-18
14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17 That the residue or remnant of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
That word known means foreknown, known before Hand, they belonged to the Foreknown of God Rom 8:29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
So there was a remnant of the Election of Grace out of the jews and likewise out of the Gentiles ! Now what you have to say ? You have been shown your ignorance again !
beloved57
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Yes it is, He never knew them or Loved them Matt 7:23, they did many good works Matt 7:22-23
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
More of your ignorance exposed !
Yes it is, He never knew them or Loved them Matt 7:23, they did many good works Matt 7:22-23
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
More of your ignorance exposed !