I agree. We know nothing about Christ and his Gospel without the scriptures.
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I agree. We know nothing about Christ and his Gospel without the scriptures.
Dear Robert Pate and Jamie
Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
In the above, is it not interesting that the Lord Jesus told his disciples that only they were given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven?
The Lord Jesus said He gave the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven to only His disciples for the following four reasons:
1. only they were given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven
2. only they had the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the hearts to understand.
3. their heart were not waxed gross
4. they hath and to them shall be given, and they shall have more abundance:
What about all those others who the Lord Jesus encountered and delivered too? These were the masses. He gave them parables. The Lord Jesus said he gave parables to these masses for four reasons:
1. they were not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.
2. they did not have the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the hearts to understand.
3. these people's hearts were waxed gross
4. they hath not and from them shall be taken away even that they hath.
Therefore parables were and continue to be only for:
1. people who are not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.
2. people who do not have the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the hearts to understand.
3. people whose hearts are waxed gross
4. people who hath not and from them shall be taken away even that they hath.
The above defined Jesus' intent when He gave parables. And most of the scriptures are parables. Therefore is it not obvious that the scriptures can be something that killeth?
The above revelation also confirms that, only those who have have the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the hearts to understand are given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. Is it not important to know what is the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the hearts to understand?
John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
When, in the above, the Lord confirmed that:
1. there are many thing that he want to say to his disciples however they could nor bear it at that time.
2. the Spirit of Truth will bring All Truth, then,
. . it becomes very clear that the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the hearts to understand means the capacity to know things intuitively through one's own heart or spirit, directly from the Spirit of Truth and these things would in no way be connected or related to, the parables which make up the scriptures.
. . . because the scriptures which are mostly parables take away the little that one has and killeth where as the Spirit brings All Truth and giveth life.
Why then would a billion strong traditional Christians esteem the scriptures which are the letters which killeth and which are parables which are given to take away the little that one has?
Why indeed do they not totally throw out the scriptures and embrace and commune through their own hearts/spirit with, the Spirit of Truth which brings All Truth and eternal life?
And why would the two of you want to keep unsuspecting aspiring Christians under bondage of scriptures?
Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
In the above, is it not interesting that the Lord Jesus told his disciples that only they were given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven?
The Lord Jesus said He gave the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven to only His disciples for the following four reasons:
1. only they were given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven
2. only they had the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the hearts to understand.
3. their heart were not waxed gross
4. they hath and to them shall be given, and they shall have more abundance:
What about all those others who the Lord Jesus encountered and delivered too? These were the masses. He gave them parables. The Lord Jesus said he gave parables to these masses for four reasons:
1. they were not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.
2. they did not have the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the hearts to understand.
3. these people's hearts were waxed gross
4. they hath not and from them shall be taken away even that they hath.
Therefore parables were and continue to be only for:
1. people who are not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.
2. people who do not have the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the hearts to understand.
3. people whose hearts are waxed gross
4. people who hath not and from them shall be taken away even that they hath.
The above defined Jesus' intent when He gave parables. And most of the scriptures are parables. Therefore is it not obvious that the scriptures can be something that killeth?
The above revelation also confirms that, only those who have have the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the hearts to understand are given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. Is it not important to know what is the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the hearts to understand?
John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
When, in the above, the Lord confirmed that:
1. there are many thing that he want to say to his disciples however they could nor bear it at that time.
2. the Spirit of Truth will bring All Truth, then,
. . it becomes very clear that the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the hearts to understand means the capacity to know things intuitively through one's own heart or spirit, directly from the Spirit of Truth and these things would in no way be connected or related to, the parables which make up the scriptures.
. . . because the scriptures which are mostly parables take away the little that one has and killeth where as the Spirit brings All Truth and giveth life.
Why then would a billion strong traditional Christians esteem the scriptures which are the letters which killeth and which are parables which are given to take away the little that one has?
Why indeed do they not totally throw out the scriptures and embrace and commune through their own hearts/spirit with, the Spirit of Truth which brings All Truth and eternal life?
And why would the two of you want to keep unsuspecting aspiring Christians under bondage of scriptures?
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What about all of the scriptures that reveal Christ and his Gospel? Do you want to throw those out also?
The scriptures are simply an instruction manual for those who wish to follow the Lord Jesus. To use it in any other way, it killeth. Indeed the dead take it to be more than simply an instruction manual. They use it as their guide of sought. Then it killeth and they become the dead who bury their dead.
Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Apart from parables which were given by the Lord Jesus only to those who are not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven, the scriptures confirm only the following other things:
1. Jesus came in a physical body to be a one time final blood sacrifice for all the sins, up to that time, of the Jews. This led to his crucifixion. However those who continued to esteem and used the law benefited nothing from this blood sacrifice.
Indeed those who continued to esteem and use the law of sin and death, did not embrace the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Then Christ benefited them nothing.
2. Jesus came to tell those people about righteousness of God that was without the law.
3. Jesus came to tell those people to drop the law of sin and death and embrace the righteousness of God that is without the law.
4. The Lord Jesus confirmed that those who continued to esteem and used the law benefited nothing from this blood sacrifice.
5. The Lord Jesus came to and did demonstrate the life of a human who is in Christ. He did miracles which all Christian can do. His live demonstration of miracles was to awaken faith in and 'not seen' possibilities to those humans.
6. he came to and did, confirm that the new system is anchored on righteousness of God that is without the law and this is through the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (which makes one free from the law of sin and death).
7. At the final hours before his crucifixion the Lord confirmed that there was much that he had to say to his disciples but they could not bear those thing at that time. Then he confirmed that he had to go away (by crucifixion and rising to heaven) so that the Spirit of Truth can be made available to bring All Truth.
8. the Lord Jesus came to and did, confirm that truth will set one free. And he came to and did, confirm that the Spirit of Truth will bring All Truth.
9. Therefore the physical Lord Jesus came to and did theoretically set up the new system. This system was to be made functional only after He was crucified and rose to heaven. It was then that He would make His Spirit, which is the Spirit of Truth, available to provide All Truth which is the basis of freedom, salvation and deliverance, the new system and Christianity.
10. this gave the essential components of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.
11. The Lord instructed one of his disciples: 'let the dead bury their dead but you follow me'.
12. All the above are given for those who seek to follow the Lord Jesus. Following Jesus means following Him in the regeneration. This is after he physically left earth This is after he was crucified and His Spirit (which is the Spirit of Truth) was regenerated and He rose to heaven in that Spirit body to 'sit' on the right side of the Holy Spirit.
13. To follow the Lord Jesus means to follow him in the regeneration. This is, to follow him to spirit heaven. This is to achieve live communion with the regenerated Spirit of the Lord Jesus, after he was crucified and rose to spirit heaven, in that Spirit, to sit on the right side of the Holy Spirit. This is how only Paul did it.
This requires one, in one's current life time, to search one's own heart and discern precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for one to know, pray for say and do through one's own heart. Then be led into all of ones works by this, even if one has to transgress the law and the scriptures.
14. Jesus also left an alternative instruction to 'follow me'. This is, 'let the dead bury their dead'
15. this gave rise to all the other things (all other deliveries) in the KJV N.T., All of these others things, including all parables, are solely for 'the dead' in Jesus' instruction, 'let the dead bury their dead'.
16. 'The dead' describes the spiritually dead. They are those whose hearts are waxed gross and therefore not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. They are the ones who rely on scriptures (which are mostly parables and which killeth).
They are a group of people who encourage each other to esteem and use the scriptures (parables and all) which killeth. Therefore they are the dead who bury their dead. They do not rely on and use the Spirit of Truth which brings All Truth and gives eternal life.
They are the ones who have not followed the Lord Jesus in the regeneration. They are the ones who continue to follow the physical Jesus and the things which he did and left on earth, like the written scriptures. The physical Jesus is not about the regeneration and not about following the Lord Jesus in the regeneration.
17. Following Jesus is about following him in the regeneration and this is about dropping all things related to the physical Jesus, parables, the law and written scriptures and embracing and being led only by the Spirit Lord Jesus.
18. After Jesus' crucifixion his work as the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man came to an end. The physical Jesus and his deliveries, works and parables and the scriptures became redundant for those who chose to follow him in the regeneration.
19. Indeed after Jesus' crucifixion the Lord was that Spirit (of the Lord Jesus). This is the Lord Jesus clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God body. This became the Lord only for those who followed the Lord.
20. The physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus and all the things that he physically said and did on earth, as physically recorded in scriptures, remained the Lord for only 'the dead who bury their dead'. For indeed the letter which is scriptures, killeth. Only the Spirit of the Lord Jesus giveth life.
21. At best scriptures are simply an instruction manual for those who followed the Lord Jesus (i.e. Christians). It simply tells them to seek out the Spirit of Truth to get All Truth which leads to salvation, deliverance eternal life and to be Christian.
22. At no event can the scriptures save, deliver, give eternal life and Christianity to any one. Only the dead can and will take the written scriptures to be more than simply an instruction manual . . . and indeed they do. They are the very great majority of those called to Christianity but are not chosen. They seem to be the billion strong traditional Christians . . . they are so far indeed from the few who know truth, do not err and can be the chosen few.
23. Christ and his Gospel are not found in the scriptures. It is found only in the Spirit of Truth, when one communes with this Spirit through one's own heart or spirit.
Being 'in Christ and the Gospel of Christ is literally the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. This has nothing to do with scriptures. Many are in this lifestyle without having read, reading and/or knowing scriptures. Many people are in this lifestyle intuitively. i.e. without out hearing about it from scriptures. In fact there is nothing in scriptures which one must know or uphold in the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus . . .
24. This is in the same manner in which the Gentiles were able to use the law of the Jewish scriptures, even though they were not informed about or knew about the law of the Jewish scriptures. They knew it instinctively.
In the same manner many people intuitively know the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (without physically reading or hearing scriptures) and they live it. Also there are at least a billion people who have physically heard and/or physically read the scriptures, some for all their lives and they are not in the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
25. Such knowledge does not need to come from physically reading hearing or knowing scriptures.
John: 7 KJV N.T.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
26. The Lord Jesus did not have to physically read or physically hear the scriptures in order to know them. The scriptures are not consequential in order to know about and get into the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. The Lord did not put limits on humans:
John 14:12King James Version (KJV)
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
27. If you want to be a slave in bondage to scriptures . . . well that is fine. However know that to be only your folly. Freedom come from Truth and Truth (i.e All Truth) comes only from the Spirit of Truth. There are no scripture toting people in God's kingdom of heaven.
28. The Lord Jesus Christ did not learn from scriptures nor did he walk around with scriptures. And all who are 'in Christ' (Christians) differ in no way from Jesus Christ except for only one thing, He is Lord of All. No Christian walks around with and/or esteem any version of written scriptures. They get all their knowledge and guidance from the Spirit of Truth in real time, all the time. This is done through an intuitive connection between one's own spirit and the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth.
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Dear, Robert Pate and (seriously deluded, ego driven and lost) Jamie,
Are you among those traditional Christians who hold and promote the idea that Jesus died on the cross and all are saved, it is done deal?
Fact is, it is very clearly stated in the KJV N.T. that some people have not benefited from Christ. Therefore it is not a done deal and all are not saved and delivered, by Jesus dying on the cross.
(that is clearly a very misleading 'false prophet' and Antichrist belief and statement which traditional Christians are holding and promoting). You will be held responsible and punishable for your folly.
Here are the facts:
Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
If Christ can become of no effect to some then his death on the cross cannot be a done (all inclusive) deal that saved everyone.
The fact that Jesus died on the cross is a none issue, at this time. In fact the death of Jesus on the cross was consequential only to the Jews of 2000 odd years ago. The physical Jesus was simply a blood sacrifice for forgiveness of sins (up to that time) of the Jews. This was required, according to the tradition of the Jews. It was done to appease the Jews of that time, on their terms.
After that and for those who came thereafter, the Lord is the Spirit of Jesus. Not at all the crucified or physical Jesus. One must be in the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus to be saved, delivered and to be Christian.
The Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is anchored on live 'real time' communion (through one's own heart or spirit) with the living Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus. This has nothing to do with the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus, who was crucified on the cross. This presentation of Jesus was temporal and it done on earth, for now. Indeed it is clearly confirmed in the KJV N.T. that: now (since the crucifixion), the Lord is that Spirit:
2 Corinthians: 3 KJV N.T.
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit (of the Lord Jesus): and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty (to transgress the law and get no sin).
If you assume and adopt that it is a done deal and all are saved and delivered, you are literally dead in your waters:
Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
It seems that a billion strong traditional Christians hold and promote the idea that Jesus died on the cross and all are saved, it is done deal and they continue to use the law of sin and death.
They are defying the KJV N.T. and also doing the single exact thing that put them not under grace and makes Christ of no effect to them.
This is the sad state of the billion strong traditional Christianity.
They certainly do not need more people (more false prophets) adding more foolishness to their already deluded, Antichrist ideas and beliefs. They are goats, on the 'left side'. They need the truth so that they can be sheep, on the right side . . . before too late is the cry.
Again the fact that people will be divided into the right side and the left side confirms that all are not saved and delivered, simply because Jesus died on the cross. Clearly, on judgment day, some will be chosen for heaven and some dispatched to hell. That is, all are not children of God, some are children of the flesh.
Here are the facts:
Matthew: 25 KJV N.T.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 * Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 * Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Where indeed did traditional Christians get the idea that because Jesus died on the cross, all are saved and all are children of God. They clearly got that from false prophets who came in Jesus' name and misguided all of them.
Are you guys (who esteem yourselves to be knowers and teachers of Christian truth) going to add to their delusion and demise?
You will be held accountable and punishable for your folly, whether or not it is witting or unwitting. Fact is, one cannot egotistically self-appoint one self to be a knower and teacher of Christianity and not be subject to punishment for one's folly.
It is safer to be the meek who says nothing and add nothing; than to be an egoist who erroneously believes that he knows and then teaches corruption.
Millions of people are widely (but erroneously) recognized to be either popes, preachers, pastors bishops., etc. of Christianity. Fact is, to a great extent, they are Old Testament people simply masquerading as New Testament people. They are suited to serve only those who want to and choose to, remain under the Old system.
They are very dangerous to unsuspecting aspiring Christians. In reality they are false prophets who came in Jesus' name and are misguiding many who are called to Christianity. They are 'the dead' (also called the unawares), false brethren mentioned in:
Galatians: 2 KJV N.T.
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus (i.e. under the New system), that they might bring us into bondage (under the Old system).
Please recognize your inherent limitation and bias for the Old System. And indeed keep it for you and yours. Do not come among unsuspecting aspiring Christians and Christians to seek to corruptly foist your O.T. ideas on them.
Are you among those traditional Christians who hold and promote the idea that Jesus died on the cross and all are saved, it is done deal?
Fact is, it is very clearly stated in the KJV N.T. that some people have not benefited from Christ. Therefore it is not a done deal and all are not saved and delivered, by Jesus dying on the cross.
(that is clearly a very misleading 'false prophet' and Antichrist belief and statement which traditional Christians are holding and promoting). You will be held responsible and punishable for your folly.
Here are the facts:
Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
If Christ can become of no effect to some then his death on the cross cannot be a done (all inclusive) deal that saved everyone.
The fact that Jesus died on the cross is a none issue, at this time. In fact the death of Jesus on the cross was consequential only to the Jews of 2000 odd years ago. The physical Jesus was simply a blood sacrifice for forgiveness of sins (up to that time) of the Jews. This was required, according to the tradition of the Jews. It was done to appease the Jews of that time, on their terms.
After that and for those who came thereafter, the Lord is the Spirit of Jesus. Not at all the crucified or physical Jesus. One must be in the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus to be saved, delivered and to be Christian.
The Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is anchored on live 'real time' communion (through one's own heart or spirit) with the living Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus. This has nothing to do with the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus, who was crucified on the cross. This presentation of Jesus was temporal and it done on earth, for now. Indeed it is clearly confirmed in the KJV N.T. that: now (since the crucifixion), the Lord is that Spirit:
2 Corinthians: 3 KJV N.T.
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit (of the Lord Jesus): and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty (to transgress the law and get no sin).
If you assume and adopt that it is a done deal and all are saved and delivered, you are literally dead in your waters:
Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
It seems that a billion strong traditional Christians hold and promote the idea that Jesus died on the cross and all are saved, it is done deal and they continue to use the law of sin and death.
They are defying the KJV N.T. and also doing the single exact thing that put them not under grace and makes Christ of no effect to them.
This is the sad state of the billion strong traditional Christianity.
They certainly do not need more people (more false prophets) adding more foolishness to their already deluded, Antichrist ideas and beliefs. They are goats, on the 'left side'. They need the truth so that they can be sheep, on the right side . . . before too late is the cry.
Again the fact that people will be divided into the right side and the left side confirms that all are not saved and delivered, simply because Jesus died on the cross. Clearly, on judgment day, some will be chosen for heaven and some dispatched to hell. That is, all are not children of God, some are children of the flesh.
Here are the facts:
Matthew: 25 KJV N.T.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 * Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 * Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Where indeed did traditional Christians get the idea that because Jesus died on the cross, all are saved and all are children of God. They clearly got that from false prophets who came in Jesus' name and misguided all of them.
Are you guys (who esteem yourselves to be knowers and teachers of Christian truth) going to add to their delusion and demise?
You will be held accountable and punishable for your folly, whether or not it is witting or unwitting. Fact is, one cannot egotistically self-appoint one self to be a knower and teacher of Christianity and not be subject to punishment for one's folly.
It is safer to be the meek who says nothing and add nothing; than to be an egoist who erroneously believes that he knows and then teaches corruption.
Millions of people are widely (but erroneously) recognized to be either popes, preachers, pastors bishops., etc. of Christianity. Fact is, to a great extent, they are Old Testament people simply masquerading as New Testament people. They are suited to serve only those who want to and choose to, remain under the Old system.
They are very dangerous to unsuspecting aspiring Christians. In reality they are false prophets who came in Jesus' name and are misguiding many who are called to Christianity. They are 'the dead' (also called the unawares), false brethren mentioned in:
Galatians: 2 KJV N.T.
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus (i.e. under the New system), that they might bring us into bondage (under the Old system).
Please recognize your inherent limitation and bias for the Old System. And indeed keep it for you and yours. Do not come among unsuspecting aspiring Christians and Christians to seek to corruptly foist your O.T. ideas on them.
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Dear, Robert Pate and (seriously deluded, ego driven and lost) Jamie,
There is a correct way to use scriptures. You are not using them correctly. therefore:
Throw out your written scriptures. While they can be a blessing to others, they are a curse onto you. Clearly they are your bondage. They are keeping you in bondage. They are killething you.
They are suppressing and preventing your spiritual self actualization, through which you can have live 'real time' communion with the Spirit of Truth, who brings All Truth, through your own heart or spirit. That is, the way you are using scriptures is causing you to keep your heart waxed gross. And therefore you remain not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.
The way you use scriptures results in your being totally anchored in the physical. Your approach is keeping you dead (i.e. spiritually dead). If you remain 'the dead' you will not become a Christian. Then when you die, you will be buried by the dead. Indeed, when you die you will not rise, in three days (like the Lord Jesus Christ) to be like an angel in spirit heaven, with the Lord Jesus.
You are literally abusing the intent of the written scriptures and encouraging others to do so. By this abuse of the intent of scriptures you are "the dead who are burying their dead". You are not following the Lord Jesus.
Use the scriptures, not as any revelation of Truth or as any guide to God's righteousness. Instead use the scriptures solely to learn, be convinced and to get the stand alone faith, to eventually drop the scriptures . . . and seek and achieve communion with, the Spirit of Truth Who gives All Truth.
This is the path (the only path) to salvation, deliverance, grace and Christianity. If you use the scriptures in any other way it will killeth and destroy you.
The purpose of hearing and reading scriptures is to bring you on to faith in yourself so that you can stand alone with the Spirit of Truth. You will need this faith because what the Spirit of Truth has in mind for you to know, pray for, say and do will require to transgress the ideals, beliefs and tenants of very scriptures themselves.
Fact is, those ideals, beliefs and tenants of scriptures are not for one who is under and led by the Spirit of Truth. However having come from a back ground where one was strongly conditioned to esteem those ideals, beliefs and tenants of scriptures one will requires strong faith in oneself in order to go against them when the Spirit of Truth instructions one to do so.
This was the situation in which Abraham found himself. This was when God's will as delivered through the Spirit of Truth instructed him to transgress the thou shall not kill commandment. That is he was instructed to kill Issac. To prove his readiness for the New approach which is through the Spirit (of the Lord Jesus), Abraham had to obey this instruction unconditionally.
Indeed you must be as ready as Abraham, if you seek to embrace the New approach. You must be prepared. You must expect the Spirit of Truth to require you to transgress the law and all other ideals, laws and tenants in the written scriptures. (however it is not likely that you will be called to do something that you cannot handle)
You will indeed be require to have great faith, both in yourself and in the Spirit of Truth, in order to obey the Spirit of Truth (as discerned personally within your own heart or spirit), unconditionally. Reading and hearing the life and miracles, of the physical Lord Jesus Christ, as recorded in the KJV N.T. can cultivate this high level of faith.
Your faith will be born out of your love for a life 'in Christ' which is anchored on (among other things) one's first hand awareness of the eternal nature of all people and things. People and things are not killable. They cannot and do not actually die.
There is a correct way to use scriptures. You are not using them correctly. therefore:
Throw out your written scriptures. While they can be a blessing to others, they are a curse onto you. Clearly they are your bondage. They are keeping you in bondage. They are killething you.
They are suppressing and preventing your spiritual self actualization, through which you can have live 'real time' communion with the Spirit of Truth, who brings All Truth, through your own heart or spirit. That is, the way you are using scriptures is causing you to keep your heart waxed gross. And therefore you remain not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.
The way you use scriptures results in your being totally anchored in the physical. Your approach is keeping you dead (i.e. spiritually dead). If you remain 'the dead' you will not become a Christian. Then when you die, you will be buried by the dead. Indeed, when you die you will not rise, in three days (like the Lord Jesus Christ) to be like an angel in spirit heaven, with the Lord Jesus.
You are literally abusing the intent of the written scriptures and encouraging others to do so. By this abuse of the intent of scriptures you are "the dead who are burying their dead". You are not following the Lord Jesus.
Use the scriptures, not as any revelation of Truth or as any guide to God's righteousness. Instead use the scriptures solely to learn, be convinced and to get the stand alone faith, to eventually drop the scriptures . . . and seek and achieve communion with, the Spirit of Truth Who gives All Truth.
This is the path (the only path) to salvation, deliverance, grace and Christianity. If you use the scriptures in any other way it will killeth and destroy you.
The purpose of hearing and reading scriptures is to bring you on to faith in yourself so that you can stand alone with the Spirit of Truth. You will need this faith because what the Spirit of Truth has in mind for you to know, pray for, say and do will require to transgress the ideals, beliefs and tenants of very scriptures themselves.
Fact is, those ideals, beliefs and tenants of scriptures are not for one who is under and led by the Spirit of Truth. However having come from a back ground where one was strongly conditioned to esteem those ideals, beliefs and tenants of scriptures one will requires strong faith in oneself in order to go against them when the Spirit of Truth instructions one to do so.
This was the situation in which Abraham found himself. This was when God's will as delivered through the Spirit of Truth instructed him to transgress the thou shall not kill commandment. That is he was instructed to kill Issac. To prove his readiness for the New approach which is through the Spirit (of the Lord Jesus), Abraham had to obey this instruction unconditionally.
Indeed you must be as ready as Abraham, if you seek to embrace the New approach. You must be prepared. You must expect the Spirit of Truth to require you to transgress the law and all other ideals, laws and tenants in the written scriptures. (however it is not likely that you will be called to do something that you cannot handle)
You will indeed be require to have great faith, both in yourself and in the Spirit of Truth, in order to obey the Spirit of Truth (as discerned personally within your own heart or spirit), unconditionally. Reading and hearing the life and miracles, of the physical Lord Jesus Christ, as recorded in the KJV N.T. can cultivate this high level of faith.
Your faith will be born out of your love for a life 'in Christ' which is anchored on (among other things) one's first hand awareness of the eternal nature of all people and things. People and things are not killable. They cannot and do not actually die.
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However it is still true that you are preoccupied with and promoting foolishness and corruption in the name of Christianity. Here is the proof as confirmed by clear, plain and literal revelations from the KJV N.T.
Mark: 12 KJV N.T.
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
The above tells why the very great majority of those called (i.e. called to Christianity) err and are not chosen. Please do not distort scriptures.
2 Corinthians: 3 KJV N.T.
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Form the above revelations, there is no doubt that letter refers to the scriptures (the written N.T.). However here is an additional supporting revelation form the KJV N.T.:
John: 7 KJV N.T.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
Therefore, whether you like it or not, also regardless of your opinion, also regardless of your life long deluded beliefs: The KJV N.T. (the scriptures) confirm that 'the scriptures killeth'.
Additionally the KJV N.T. are mostly parables and parables are given for, among other things, to take away the little that people have.. This is the intent that the Lord Jesus had when he gave parables.
The above facts are literally and further supported by:
Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
The above literally confirms that parables were and continue to be only for:
1. people who are not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.
2. people who do not have the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the hearts to understand.
3. people whose hearts are waxed gross
4. people who hath not and from them shall be taken away even that they hath.
* Most of the KJV N.T. ((i.e. scriptures) are parables which are for those who are not given know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.
* Most of the KJV N.T. ((i.e. scriptures) are parables which are for those who do not have the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the hearts to understand.
* Most of the KJV N.T. ((i.e. scriptures) are parables which are for those hearts are waxed gross.
* Most of the KJV N.T. ((i.e. scriptures) are parables which are for those who hath not and from them shall be taken away even that they hath.
It is not obvious that the parables in the KJV N.T. (i.e. in scriptures) are literally for the dead and they killeth . . . the KJV N.T. (scriptures) is mostly parables.
Parables are not for those who 'follow Jesus'. They are for 'the dead who bury their dead'.
Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
(the Lord Jesus left these two options and He confirmed that parables are for 'the dead', i.e. those whose hearts are 'waxed gross'.)
Everyday for all their lives a billion strong traditional Christians use parables from the KJV N.T.
The billion strong traditional Christians (like you) obviously esteem and read the KJV N.T. Their foolish priests and pastors etc. quote and use parable at the weddings, funerals christenings, etc. of traditional Christians. Therefore they obviously accept that:
1. they are not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.
2. they do not have the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the hearts to understand.
3. their hearts are waxed gross
4. they hath not and from them shall be taken away even that they hath.
They are being killeth daily by using parables from the scriptures. This totally demotivate them from 'de-wax-grossing' their hearts or spirit so that they can seek out the Spirit of Truth who brings All Truth . . . through their own ('de-wax-grossing'/awakened) hearts or spirits.
It is foolish to believe that All Truth which the Spirit of Truth bring will be the things in the scriptures.
Everything here is to suit your sensibilities. They are all totally and literally supported by quoted, KJV N.T. revelations.
Certainly this message is worth a long post.
This post is given to uphold the Spirit of Truth who is the Spirit of Jesus who is also the Spirit of Intercession who is also the pure Son of the Holy Spirit. This is the literal and untouched revelation in the KJV N.T.
Denying, ignoring and/or undermining this post is not a matter of simple bantering and/or ego posturing. Denying, ignoring and/or undermining this post is literally blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Matthews: 12 KJV N.T
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Do not be holier than thou and do you own idealistic and nice sounding thing that is not supported by revelations in the KJV N.T. and pass that of as Christianity.
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The letter is not the scriptures.
The letter that kills is the Law. The scriptures enlighten.
The letter that kills is the Law. The scriptures enlighten.
John: 16 KJV N.T.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but you cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
John: 8 KJV N.T.
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
All things comes only from the Spirit of Truth. Only the Spirit of Truth brings All Truth. This Spirit became available only after the Lord was crucified and rose to heaven
Therefore the things which the Lord delivered when he was physically on earth, as recorded in scriptures are only parables and general instruction about how and where to find Truth.
The scriptures are the letter which killeth when they are taken to be more than parables and general instructions about how and where to find All Truth.
When one learns how and where to find All Truth one thrown away the scriptures.
2 Corinthians: 3 KJV N.T.
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. (the Lord is not the Spirit of Truth and the scriptures.) Since 2000 odd years ago, the Lord is only that Spirit (of Truth/Spirit of Jesus).
Drop the law and the scriptures (parables etc.) and embrace liberty which come through the Spirit of the Lord.
2 Corinthians: 4 KJV N.T.
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Do not look at the physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Lord Jesus and the obviously 'seen' and temporal physically written scriptures.
Look only to the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Lord Jesus. This is the Spirit of Truth.
You mentioned 'enlighten':
Hebrews: 6 KJV N.T.
1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
You are far from enlightenment. Enlightenment is possible only after long putting away (throwing away) the scriptures. The scriptures are only the principles and doctrine of Christ. Actually being 'enlightened in Christ' is about the Spirit of Truth and about being in live perpetual communion with the Spirit of Truth.
The above revelation confirms that in order to reach or come any where near, enlightenment in Christ one has to have long put away all of the following:
1. the principles and doctrine of Christ
2. laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works
3. the doctrine of faith toward God
4. the doctrine of baptisms
5. the doctrine of laying on of hands
6. the doctrine of resurrection of the dead
7. the doctrine of of eternal judgment
The above are the essential fabric of scriptures and you are still stuck in scriptures. So very sad for you. Enlightenment is not about the scriptures which is about doctrine and principles.
There are no doctrines and/or principles for one who is enlightened in Christ. There is only absolute, God given freedom, liberty and justification.
1 to 7 above are not the law, which is a curse. Yet (like the law) they must be left behind (done away with) in order to move onto enlightenment in Christ.
1 to 7 above are the essence of scriptures. And if one stay in them they killeth. If one does not eventually throw them out one cannot become 'enlightened in Christ' . . . those doctrines and principles are literally the scriptures and they killeth.
Here are the instruction (in the KJV N.T.) of how the wise must use the scriptures:
* To be enlightened in Christ one has to leave behind the following:
1. the principles and doctrine of Christ
2. laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works
3. the doctrine of faith toward God
4. the doctrine of baptisms
5. the doctrine of laying on of hands
6. the doctrine of resurrection of the dead
7. the doctrine of of eternal judgment
* The other things in the KJV N.T. (scriptures) are parables. And parables were given only for:
1. people who are not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.
2. people who do not have the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the hearts to understand.
3. people whose hearts are waxed gross
4. people who hath not and from them shall be taken away even that they hath.
* The other things in the KJV N.T. (scriptures) are:
1.) the instruction that the Spirit of Truth brings All Truth and one must search one's heart to know the mind of the Spirit of Truth and 2.) the letter (which are scriptures) killeth
* The scriptures are not to be esteem or used as an end onto it self. The above revelations from the KJV N.T. clearly confirm that they do not give life. They definitely killeth, if they are, in any way, used for more than only a road map to how and where to find All Truth.
* Why are you preoccupied with scriptures? You must like death? Also why are you corruptly encouraging others to be preoccupied with scriptures? Why are you 'the dead who is burying the dead'? Why are you dragging downs others with you?
Being enlightened in Christ is about tasting, i.e. actual experiencing. Not about simply physically reading and/or hearing and/or physically parroting slogans from scriptures. This is what the billion strong traditional Christians do. They are obviously not the chosen few.
Enlightenment in Christ is not about simply reading and hearing and parroting doctrines and principles which are the fabric of scriptures.
Enlightenment in Christ is about having tasted (experienced) enlightenment in Christ, then one does not go back to, esteeming and/or using scriptures.
Esteeming scriptures is like esteem the instruction manual of your T.V. If you esteem the manual without ever learning to put on and/or actually put on your T.V. the instruction manual killeth. It serves no purpose. You have lost the point of the instruction manual.
However the wise would use the instruction manual to learn how to and actually put on their T.V. Then they throw out the instruction manual. You do not hear them praising the manual. The common everyday reality of one who is 'in Christ' is that they have long done away with scriptures.
This is like learning from your kindergarten 'sums' book that 2 + 2 = 4. Once one graduates from kindergarten one does not esteem that book, In fact one can hardly find that book thereafter . . . i.e. unless graduating from kindergarten is one's highest accomplishment.
However scriptures are far more dangerous. Scriptures are not simply neutral or good. They are potentially bad as well. When misused they killeth. If you interfere with and/or use scriptures without knowing what you are doing, scriptures can destroy both you and those who listen to you.
Million of people without the required Gift of the Spirit to teach Christianity are teaching Christianity. They have misled at least a billion people who comprise traditional Christians. These masses are not Christians, at all. Most of these billion people probably have and esteem and even carry around, expensive gilt-edged, physical and 'seen' copies of scriptures . . . to absolutely no avail.
None have achieved a de-waxed-gross (awakened) heart/spirit. Far less to have achieved communion with the Spirit of Truth (through each of their own hearts) and even further less, to be unconditionally led into their individual works by this Spirit.
However they all esteem, praise and parrot scriptures and erroneously believe that that will save them. They have been totally misled. This is how the scriptures are misused. This is how the scriptures killeth . . . ah la Robert Pate and the like.
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You don't know the difference between the law and the Gospel.
The law says to do something or don't do something. Christians are not under the law.
They are under grace and live by the Spirit. This does not mean that they throw their Bibles in the trash.
We are called to rightly divide the word of truth, which is the Gospel, 1 Timothy 2:15.
Paul refutes you. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" 2 Timothy 3:16, 17.
Yes I do.
The law is a curse and the letter killeth.
It is clearly validated in the KJV N.T. that the scriptures are the letter.
The law and the letter are the same thing.
That is your made up beliefs.
It is clearly validated in the KJV N.T. that the scriptures are the letter.
John: 7 KJV N.T.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
From the Jewish experience, the letter is the scriptures which one learns.
So, you want to throw out the scriptures that Paul said are inspired by God?
I have no personal agenda.
I post the KJV N.T 'as is'. It must be used 'as is' in order to get any benefit from it.
If the KJV N.T. confirms that the law is a curse, scriptures killeth and the Spirit giveth life . . . well so be it. One must accept that if one want to benefit anything from scriptures.
If you do not like that idea and wants to promote that scriptures are not the letter which killeth . . . well that is your decision to corrupt Christianity.
Additionally:
* According to scriptures, enlightenment in Christ is about leaving behind the following:
1. the principles and doctrine of Christ
2. laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works
3. the doctrine of faith toward God
4. the doctrine of baptisms
5. the doctrine of laying on of hands
6. the doctrine of resurrection of the dead
7. the doctrine of of eternal judgment
Also * The other things in the KJV N.T. (scriptures) are parables. And parables were given only for:
1. people who are not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.
2. people who do not have the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the hearts to understand.
3. people whose hearts are waxed gross
4. people who hath not and from them shall be taken away even that they hath.
These are the very fabric of scriptures and they must be ignored and thrown away if one to be an authentic Christian.
Is this not backing up the revelation which says the scriptures killeth, only the Spirit giveth life.
This is the question at hand:
That is your made up beliefs.
It is clearly validated in the KJV N.T. that the scriptures are the letter.
John: 7 KJV N.T.
14 Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
From the Jewish experience, the letter is the scriptures which one learns.
If the scriptures killeth and only the Spirit brings All Truth and life . . . well so be it.
John: 16 KJV N.T.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
That is your made up beliefs.
It is clearly validated in the KJV N.T. that the scriptures are the letter.
John: 7 KJV N.T.
14 Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
From the Jewish experience, the letter is the scriptures which one learns.
If the scriptures killeth and only the Spirit brings All Truth and life . . . well so be it.
John: 16 KJV N.T.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
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"It is a harmful perversion of the truth of God to teach..."
So says Newell, in musterion's quoted post above, the antinomian. (citation of said posts would be helpful).
'Nuf said. :AMR:
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So says Newell, in musterion's quoted post above, the antinomian. (citation of said posts would be helpful).
'Nuf said. :AMR:
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