Free Will
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God's Truth
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I'm considering asking this thread to be locked, due to the degradation of content.
Please be respectful in here
That's all I ask
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Why are you saying that?
Who is being disrespectful?
freelight
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I'm considering asking this thread to be locked, due to the degradation of content.
Please be respectful in here
That's all I ask
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Hi Aetheryrn,
As per my previous posts, I've maintained a serious demeanor and exposition here on the topic of 'free will', and it appears I've not been engaged at a level worthy of the topic, since it is a complex subject. There appears to be various tangents and shallow chat going on, and at this point, it appears the 2 sharing a more Calvinistic view are not engaging much, except in bait and switch. Anyways,...I'll hang out a bit more I suppose, but space and time is valuable, and persons actually interested in the topic at hand ought to engage, while others can stay out of the arena here, respecting people's time and efforts. At any rate, as long as I've been a member here, its been awhile since I've made some of my own threads. Carry on
God's Truth,
I speak as a friend. You are quicker with scripture than most of us! (Honest observation and I say you are quicker than me). However, in case you didn't catch it, the Calvinists knew that they could derail you by calling you names and having you defend the stance of obedience.
I am not addressing your posture one way or the other. I choose to lift you up in recognition of your passion for scripture. Obedience is a personal matter to each of us. I promise you, because you support a scriptural based view free of doctrine, there are many of us here that need the razor sharp scriptural input on the quick. You are very helpful.
Please consider focusing on the cross and encouraging others to break from dogma. If a person needs help with obedience, pray for them.
That's it my powerful friend.
I count you friend, but you do not have to return the gesture.
God's Truth
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So are you going to ignore everything that I asked and said?
You probably don't realize it, but that's a very loaded question, as there are at least 2 very different but correct answers to it, and both require at least a Bible study's worth of explanation to do either justice. If you'd like, see kgov.com/the-Plot.
Luther, though I do believe he was a Christian, hated the Jews. Luther had tried to minister to the Jews to convert them to Christianity, but failed rather spectacularly. As time went on, his failure turned to hatred, and he (wrongly) became anti-semitic. This is evidenced in much of his later writings, such as On the Jews and their Lies.
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Ok I just ask you strait. Do you subscribe to UR?
Universal Reconciliation.
They believe you don't have to know Jesus or His teachings or accept Jesus to be saved. We are all saved because Jesus died for all of us.
God's Truth
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It would have been good encouragement if it was not tainted with the part about my being derailed. So, thank you for lifting me up after lowering me.
Really though, I am glad that you call me friend.
Jerry Shugart
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Then why did you quote these words?:
"Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee" (Ro.11:19-21).
Only the LORD knows who is saved and who isn't. Please consider what is said here:
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us." (1 Jn.2:19).
Nang
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No, James taught that faith without works (evidence of holiness), is dead.
I was agreeing with your argument urging holy obedience, by providing Scripture that explains how faith fulfills the law that demands holy obedience. Romans 3:31
Exactly. One would expect you'd be able to comprehend 'Imputed Righteousness' for what it is after making such a statement- but instead you stick with your Pelagian nonsense
God's Truth
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We are not supposed to kill those who do not agree with us.
We are saved by believing and obeying God.
God's Truth
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James says faith alone is DEAD and CANNOT SAVE ANYONE.
That is what James says.
Lean not on your own understanding. Just believe what is written...but of course, obey.
beloved57
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God's Truth
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Calvinists believe that we do not have freewill to obey.
I am speaking about obedience because it signifies freewill.
I am glad I considered more what you are saying to me, and I hope you understand more now why I speak of obedience in this thread.
Obedience is evidence of the freewill we are to do to be saved.
I was trying to point out here that if a man dies shortly after repenting of his sin, there's no time for "good works" to manifest in his life, because it's already over.
I'm not sure what I ignored? Could you please point it out to me?
I completely agree. Luther was wrong for doing and saying what he did.
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Jerry Shugart
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Here is what James said in regard to how a person is born of God:
"Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures" (Jas.1:17).