beloved57
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All that you have stated is True !
Free Will
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All that you have stated is True !
Question for Nanja and Beloved57, please ask them this question for their benefit:
Is anyone outside the scope of God's grace? If so, do you think that God's grace is not powerful enough to save them? Would not God's power be shown to be even greater if He had called everyone equally, even though few may respond?
For those who are not on their ignore list, feel free to re-ask the questions I asked of b57 and Nanja earlier in this thread, as they challenge the core of their beliefs.
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marhig
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You believe what you will, but I know that God loves all. And Jesus sent preachers to preach the gospel to everyone, not just to Gods elect. And what would be the point of preaching the gospel if God has already predestined who will be saved? That makes no sense.
Jesus said that all the angels in heaven rejoice over one sinner that repents. One sinner, not one elect. And if certain people are predestined, then there would be no need for repentance as they are already saved, and there would be no hope for anyone else so there would be no need to preach the gospel as God would have chosen who he wanted before they came here.
Luke 15
Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.
And he spake this parable unto them, saying,*What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?*And when he hath found*it, he layeth*it*on his shoulders, rejoicing.*And when he cometh home, he calleth together*his*friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.*I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Christ searches for the lost, not just the elect.
beloved57
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You believe in a false god, not the God or scripture who hates the workers of iniquity Ps 5:5
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God's Truth
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Nowhere anywhere in the Holy Bible are we told not obeying God is how to please God and be saved.
God's Truth
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Faith alone is DEAD and cannot save anyone.
Read the whole New Testament. Lol
James 2:14, 17, 20, 22.
The one problem with that claim is that people on their deathbed can have faith in Jesus christ and then pass away, and they'll still go to heaven. Even the murderer on the cross next to Jesus' had faith, and Jesus said that that day he would be in Heaven. His only action was faith. Do you deny that that man went to heaven on faith alone?
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God's Truth
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It sounds psycho to call it filthy to obey God's words.
God said the righteous blood sacrifice acts were as offering a bloody kotex.
He wasn't saying obeying Him was filthy.
Don't you retain anything your opponent says to you?
I have already explained it to you that God will give the new heart to those WHO REPENT OF THEIR SINS.
Ezekiel 18:31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel?
Why are they dying if not for disobeying?
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You can't hear about Jesus your whole life, reject him and do evil, and then on your death bed say oh I am sorry.
The thief on the cross obeyed what God says we have to do to be saved.
The thief on the cross feared God, humbled himself, confessed and repented of his sins, he believed in Jesus, acknowledged him before others, and called on him.
Let me ask you this, if Judas had repented of his sin, Do you think that God would have forgiven him? What about Herod? Or Hitler? How about a murderer? A rapist? Is anyone outside the scope of God's grace?
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Did they only learn about God after they did such bad things, or did they reject Jesus their whole life and then while dying decide to confess and repent?
Hitler justified his actions on the teachings of Martin Luther. Again, I ask you, is ANYONE outside of the scope of God's grace?
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freelight
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Be careful where you eat........
Be careful where you eat........
Adding on from my previous posts here & here.....
It appears I'm on Nanja's ignore list, but who knows. These two are in mental 'grid-lock',...and playing 'hi-five' to each other, while not getting to the deeper core issues I and others brought up here earlier concerning 'free will' in its 'libertarian' and 'compatabilist' viewpoints,...they cherry pick verses and spew the same proof texts, then demand where in the scriptures 'free will' is taught, when 'freedom of choice' is obvious in many passages (besides our very own lives), and such freedom is an essential part of a 'covenant-relationships', but dogma shackles their minds, shrouding their vision, becoming their 'god', worshipping their own 'version' of 'God' whose hate condemns sinners to damnation while saving only the 'elect', all the while both groups having no choice in the matter! Stupendous eh? What you have is a self-serving theology, pretending to be 'God-serving' but being the very antithesis of love.
Sadly this thread has gone off into various tangents without fully diving deep into the very complexity of 'free will' from a metaphysical/philosophical point of view, to a more shallow mud-sling match of tossing verses at each other, more like a cafeteria food fight. I'd hope the caliber of discussion could be a bit more elevated. But oh well,...one can only go so far as they are intellectually inclined.
Free will (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Be careful where you eat........
Adding on from my previous posts here & here.....
It appears I'm on Nanja's ignore list, but who knows. These two are in mental 'grid-lock',...and playing 'hi-five' to each other, while not getting to the deeper core issues I and others brought up here earlier concerning 'free will' in its 'libertarian' and 'compatabilist' viewpoints,...they cherry pick verses and spew the same proof texts, then demand where in the scriptures 'free will' is taught, when 'freedom of choice' is obvious in many passages (besides our very own lives), and such freedom is an essential part of a 'covenant-relationships', but dogma shackles their minds, shrouding their vision, becoming their 'god', worshipping their own 'version' of 'God' whose hate condemns sinners to damnation while saving only the 'elect', all the while both groups having no choice in the matter! Stupendous eh? What you have is a self-serving theology, pretending to be 'God-serving' but being the very antithesis of love.
Sadly this thread has gone off into various tangents without fully diving deep into the very complexity of 'free will' from a metaphysical/philosophical point of view, to a more shallow mud-sling match of tossing verses at each other, more like a cafeteria food fight. I'd hope the caliber of discussion could be a bit more elevated. But oh well,...one can only go so far as they are intellectually inclined.
Free will (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
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I answered your question. Jesus knows everyone's heart, and if someone rejected Jesus their whole life and did only evil, then merely saying sorry before they die is not sufficient.
Jesus is the Way. When a person dies, their spirit lives on and must know the Way.
God's grace is Him offering me salvation and eternal life even though I deserve nothing other than separation from Him.
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freelight
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As usual you bypass the pertinent points shared in the commentary given, and go into the usual posturing mode with the same question stuck on 'repeat'. Since you do not seriously consider the points of free will shared and explained but are already preprogrammed to defend your precluded dogma, you cant really go much farther to seriously consider the matter, but resort to the same merry-go-round, in your comfy little carnival. Go back and review, and when you can discuss the matter intelligently, we maybe could go somewhere, but currently you're in serious 'grid-lock'.
So if someone really meant that they were sorry and asked for God to forgive them, God wouldn't take that into consideration?
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Do you believe you don't have to accept Jesus to be saved from our sins?
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As for you saying Hitler justified his actions on the teachings of Luther...did he really say Luther told him to kill Jews?