popsthebuilder
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Please excuse me, but I must not take any credit but for looking for and reading/copying/pasting.
But yes, I too thought it was quite revealing.
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But yes, I too thought it was quite revealing.
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John 7:17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.
James 4:4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
Isaiah 65:11-12 "But as for you who forsake the LORD and forget my holy mountain, who spread a table for Fortune and fill bowls of mixed wine for Destiny, I will destine you for the sword, and you will all bend down for the slaughter; for I called but you did not answer, I spoke but you did not listen. You did evil in my sight and chose what displeases me."
1 Peter 4:3 For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do--living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.
Joshua 24:15 But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."
Deuteronomy 30:19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live
James 4:4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
Isaiah 65:11-12 "But as for you who forsake the LORD and forget my holy mountain, who spread a table for Fortune and fill bowls of mixed wine for Destiny, I will destine you for the sword, and you will all bend down for the slaughter; for I called but you did not answer, I spoke but you did not listen. You did evil in my sight and chose what displeases me."
1 Peter 4:3 For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do--living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.
Joshua 24:15 But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."
Deuteronomy 30:19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live
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Definition of free will
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: voluntary choice or decision <I do this of my own free will>
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: voluntary choice or decision <I do this of my own free will>
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Why do people reject Jesus? Why do they believe in nothing, or in false gods/goddesses? The Bible tells us why people do not believe. The bible tells us why Jesus does not save many, AND NOWHERE anywhere in the Bible does it say they cannot believe and be saved because God won't let them.
Those who don't believe and obey Jesus love darkness instead of light because their deeds are evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
They are stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, and they always resist the Holy Ghost.
They are obstinate people, who walk in ways not good, pursuing their own imaginations--
They do evil in God's sight and chose what displeases Him.
That which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations,
They exchange the truth of God for a lie.
They are self-seeking and they reject the truth and follow evil.
They do not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God.
They are hostile to God.
They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
They have been deceived by sin.
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Their minds are on earthly things.
When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart.
There are those who hear the word of God but the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. And there are those who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. There are those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life’s worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature.
They are stubborn and follow their own devices.
They are stubborn; the sinews of their neck are iron, their forehead are bronze.
They have stubborn and rebellious hearts; they have turned aside and gone away.
They do not listen or pay attention; instead, they follow the stubborn inclinations of their evil hearts. They go backward and not forward.
They have stubborn pride.
They refuse to give up their evil practices and stubborn ways.
They are rebellious people, deceitful children, children unwilling to listen to the LORD’s instruction.
Stubborn like a heifer. How then can the LORD pasture them like lambs in a meadow?
Examine yourselves and you will see that the word of God is true.
John 3:19, 20; Acts 7:51; Isaiah30:9; 65:2; 65:11,12; Romans 1:19-21; 1:25; 1:28; 2:8; 8:7; 2 Thessalonians 2:10; Hebrews 3:13; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4; Philippians 3:19; Matthew 13:19; Luke 8:11-16; Psalm 81:12; Isaiah 48:4; Jeremiah 5:23; 7:24; Leviticus 26:19; Judges 2:19; Hosea 4:16.
Those who don't believe and obey Jesus love darkness instead of light because their deeds are evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
They are stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, and they always resist the Holy Ghost.
They are obstinate people, who walk in ways not good, pursuing their own imaginations--
They do evil in God's sight and chose what displeases Him.
That which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations,
They exchange the truth of God for a lie.
They are self-seeking and they reject the truth and follow evil.
They do not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God.
They are hostile to God.
They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
They have been deceived by sin.
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Their minds are on earthly things.
When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart.
There are those who hear the word of God but the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. And there are those who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. There are those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life’s worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature.
They are stubborn and follow their own devices.
They are stubborn; the sinews of their neck are iron, their forehead are bronze.
They have stubborn and rebellious hearts; they have turned aside and gone away.
They do not listen or pay attention; instead, they follow the stubborn inclinations of their evil hearts. They go backward and not forward.
They have stubborn pride.
They refuse to give up their evil practices and stubborn ways.
They are rebellious people, deceitful children, children unwilling to listen to the LORD’s instruction.
Stubborn like a heifer. How then can the LORD pasture them like lambs in a meadow?
Examine yourselves and you will see that the word of God is true.
John 3:19, 20; Acts 7:51; Isaiah30:9; 65:2; 65:11,12; Romans 1:19-21; 1:25; 1:28; 2:8; 8:7; 2 Thessalonians 2:10; Hebrews 3:13; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4; Philippians 3:19; Matthew 13:19; Luke 8:11-16; Psalm 81:12; Isaiah 48:4; Jeremiah 5:23; 7:24; Leviticus 26:19; Judges 2:19; Hosea 4:16.
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So I ask for a scripture that says God saves unbelievers and you cannot give it.
If you believe that God saves unbelievers, then you are a Calvinist, because that is exactly what they believe God does. They believe we cannot chose to believe in God and He saves us in our state of unbelief.
That is a belief against God.
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If you are praying out to God for help He hears you. However, you have to be in a state of humbleness.
You prove what I say with those scriptures. Those scriptures do not say God saves unbelievers. If you are praying out to God---then you are NOT an unbeliever.
Not only that, God saves those who repent.
Do you believe you are saved?
If you do not believe you are saved, then why are you fighting so hard to prove God saves UNBELIEVERS?
I have been saying God does not save unbelievers, and you have changed it to God does hear unbelievers. You are not even staying focused carefully enough to discuss this deeply.
popsthebuilder
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Did you just not read it at all? Or do you simply refuse what you don't already agree with like some others here?
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That is a belief against God
I have explained myself privately to you. I have pleaded with you. And now, here, you accuse me of being against GOD?
May GOD have mercy on your soul and mine alike.
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beloved57
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False teaching. God saved them Christ died for. His death made them righteous ! Rom 5:19
Also a lost person cant repent, they are carnal minded and not subject to the law of God, and cant be Rom 8:7
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
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YOU said you do not believe you are saved.
This discussion is about God NOT saving UNBELIEVERS.
You have NOT proven that God saves unbelievers.
You have not proven it with scripture, and you have NOT proven it by way of personal testimony.
You are the one who needs to fear God for saying He saves unbelievers when He says if you do not believe in me you will die in your sins!
John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins."
Did you read that?
We have to believe or we will die in our sins.
You say God saves unbelievers.
You speak against the Word of God.
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You are adding the word 'unbeliever' to that scripture. That is a sin against God what you are doing.
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You are on ignore.
beloved57
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That's fine, I will be pointing out all your lies while you ignore me !
beloved57
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Being an enemy is an synonym to being an unbeliever, the person hates God and opposes Him Rom 5:10 !
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Are you kidding? The people of Nineveh were WARNED first by God!
What in the world are you talking about? Hagar knew who God of Abraham was; how do you ever get that she was not a believer in God?
Evidently he believed in God.
She was a believer in Jesus.
HE WAS a BELIEVER in God.
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All those scriptures you gave prove that God listens to believers and not unbelievers.
Not only that, I said God does NOT SAVE unbelievers.
You not only did NOT prove God LISTENS to unbelievers, you still have NOT proved that God SAVES unbelievers. That is what I said and asked for.
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John 9:43 We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will.
Deuteronomy 1:45
You came back and wept before the LORD, but he paid no attention to your weeping and turned a deaf ear to you.
Job 27:8
For what hope have the godless when they are cut off, when God takes away their life?
Job 35:13
Indeed, God does not listen to their empty plea; the Almighty pays no attention to it.
Psalm 34:15
The eyes of the LORD are on the righteous, and his ears are attentive to their cry;
Psalm 66:18
If I had cherished sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened;
Psalm 145:19
He fulfills the desires of those who fear him; he hears their cry and saves them.
Proverbs 15:29
The LORD is far from the wicked, but he hears the prayer of the righteous.
Proverbs 28:9
If anyone turns a deaf ear to my instruction, even their prayers are detestable.
Isaiah 1:15
When you spread out your hands in prayer, I hide my eyes from you; even when you offer many prayers, I am not listening. Your hands are full of blood!
John 11:22
But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask."
James 5:16
Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
1 John 3:22
and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.
Deuteronomy 1:45
You came back and wept before the LORD, but he paid no attention to your weeping and turned a deaf ear to you.
Job 27:8
For what hope have the godless when they are cut off, when God takes away their life?
Job 35:13
Indeed, God does not listen to their empty plea; the Almighty pays no attention to it.
Psalm 34:15
The eyes of the LORD are on the righteous, and his ears are attentive to their cry;
Psalm 66:18
If I had cherished sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened;
Psalm 145:19
He fulfills the desires of those who fear him; he hears their cry and saves them.
Proverbs 15:29
The LORD is far from the wicked, but he hears the prayer of the righteous.
Proverbs 28:9
If anyone turns a deaf ear to my instruction, even their prayers are detestable.
Isaiah 1:15
When you spread out your hands in prayer, I hide my eyes from you; even when you offer many prayers, I am not listening. Your hands are full of blood!
John 11:22
But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask."
James 5:16
Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
1 John 3:22
and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.