Foundation.

[Truster]

Jesus is God, he is King. Who would EVER condemn someone for obeying the King? Jesus himself says you will NOT be blessed as a family member and friend unless you OBEY. So where do you ever get those words have been nullified?

Those, like you, who are still in their sins cannot obey.

 

[JudgeRightly]

If you know the answers why are you asking me? Trying to be clever?

Because I want to discuss. I want to have conversation. You don't seem to be interested in conversation, only condemnation of those who believe differently than you.

 

[God's Truth]

I know.
Which is why this statement of yours is still a lie.

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It will be a lie each and every time you say it, which is a lot.

Yeah, I know, I get your little tricky and damaging twist to the truth. What don't you get that if anyone does sin they should not, but if they do, then they are to confess and repent of it?

 

[Truster]

Because I want to discuss. I want to have conversation. You don't seem to be interested in conversation, only condemnation of those who believe differently than you.

Conversions are akin to fellowship. What fellowship hath light and darkness?

I state facts based on truth. Truth is not for discussion or arguments. Truth is for the saints to recognize, absorb and to rejoice over. You have shown no ability to do any of these things.

 

[God's Truth]

Those, like you, who are still in their sins cannot obey.

No worker for Satan, not because you say so. Now give the scripture that says God saves unbelievers.

 

[God's Truth]

Because I want to discuss. I want to have conversation. You don't seem to be interested in conversation, only condemnation of those who believe differently than you.

Do you go against repenting of sins to be saved?

 

[God's Truth]

Truster goes against me because I say I believed Jesus and repented of my sins before I was saved.

Steko, glorydaze, and Tambora go against me for saying repent means to repent of SINS.

Tell me how they get that God condemns people for doing right.

Tell me how they get from the scriptures that there is a tricky way to be saved and it is basked on doing nothing?

Not obeying God is not the secret way to be saved.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Conversions are akin to fellowship. What fellowship hath light and darkness?

I state facts based on truth. Truth is not for discussion or arguments. Truth is for the saints to recognize, absorb and to rejoice over. You have shown no ability to do any of these things.

“Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the Lord, “Though your sins are like scarlet, They shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They shall be as wool. - Isaiah 1:18 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah1:18&version=NKJV

Why is discussion not allowed by you? It seems to be allowed by God...

 

[JudgeRightly]

Conversions are akin to fellowship. What fellowship hath light and darkness?

I state facts based on truth. Truth is not for discussion or arguments. Truth is for the saints to recognize, absorb and to rejoice over. You have shown no ability to do any of these things.

Truster, Come and let us reason together.

 

[Truster]

Truster, Come and let us reason together.

I do not speak peace to hypocrites. Read my signature.

 

[Truster]

“Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the Lord, “Though your sins are like scarlet, They shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They shall be as wool. - Isaiah 1:18 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah1:18&version=NKJV

Why is discussion not allowed by you? It seems to be allowed by God...

I often reason with Him.

 

[Truster]

Truster goes against me because I say I believed Jesus and repented of my sins before I was saved.

Steko, glorydaze, and Tambora go against me for saying repent means to repent of SINS.

Tell me how they get that God condemns people for doing right.

Tell me how they get from the scriptures that there is a tricky way to be saved and it is basked on doing nothing?

Not obeying God is not the secret way to be saved.

You have taken part in auto salvation. You are the author of what you call salvation.

 

[God's Truth]

Truster, Come and let us reason together.

You are a faith alone believer who goes against repenting of sins to be saved.

Truster is a Calvinist who goes against your beliefs that we have to believe.

You both are in a competition to see who obeys God the least.

What don't Calvinists get about God not saving UNbelievers?

What don't faith alone believers get that their faith without right action like repenting of sins is dead faith?

 

[Truster]

You are a faith alone believer who goes against repenting of sins to be saved.

Truster is a Calvinist who goes against your beliefs that we have to believe.

You both are in a competition to see who obeys God the least.

What don't Calvinists get about God not saving UNbelievers?

What don't faith aloner believers get that their faith without right action like repenting of sins is dead faith?

You are just making up a new set of words as you go along. Are there not enough words within systematic theology without you confusing the matter.

 

[God's Truth]

You have taken part in auto salvation. You are the author of what you call salvation.

No such word from the Bible. You made it up just like all your beliefs.
Give the scripture that saves God saves unbelievers.

I can give you many scriptures that say we have to believe and obey.

Your beliefs are doctrines from demons.

 

[Truster]

No such word from the Bible. You made it up just like all your beliefs.
Give the scripture that saves God saves unbelievers.

I can give you many scriptures that say we have to believe and obey.

Your beliefs are doctrines from demons.

I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

 

[Truster]

Truster goes against me because I say I believed Jesus and repented of my sins before I was saved.

Steko, glorydaze, and Tambora go against me for saying repent means to repent of SINS.

Tell me how they get that God condemns people for doing right.

Tell me how they get from the scriptures that there is a tricky way to be saved and it is basked on doing nothing?

Not obeying God is not the secret way to be saved.

I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Do you go against repenting of sins to be saved?

Repent and believe and accept Christ's forgiveness to be saved.

Truster goes against me because I say I believed Jesus and repented of my sins before I was saved.

Steko, glorydaze, and Tambora go against me for saying repent means to repent of SINS.

No, they go against you for saying that "repent" always means "repent of sins" when it does not. "Repent" means to turn away from, but the meaning of the word does not specify what is being turned away from.

Tell me how they get that God condemns people for doing right.

He doesn't condemn people for doing good, He condemns people for doing things they shouldn't be doing.

Tell me how they get from the scriptures that there is a tricky way to be saved and it is basked on doing nothing?

Because Abraham is the father of two peoples, of two covenants, one of grace and one of circumcision, which is the law.


Grace:

Spoiler

After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.”But Abram said, “Lord God, what will You give me, seeing I go childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?”Then Abram said, “Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one born in my house is my heir!”And behold, the word of the Lord came to him, saying, “This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir.”Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.Then He said to him, “I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it.”And he said, “Lord God, how shall I know that I will inherit it?”So He said to him, “Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.”Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two.And when the vultures came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away.Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, horror and great darkness fell upon him.Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years.And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions.Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age.But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces.On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates—the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites,the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim,the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.” - Genesis 15:1-21 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis15:1-21&version=NKJV

Circumcision:

Spoiler

When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless.And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.”Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying:“As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations.No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations.I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you.And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”And God said to Abraham: “As for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations.This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised;and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you.He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant.He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”Then God said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall be her name.And I will bless her and also give you a son by her; then I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of peoples shall be from her.”Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed, and said in his heart, “Shall a child be born to a man who is one hundred years old? And shall Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear a child? ”And Abraham said to God, “Oh, that Ishmael might live before You!”Then God said: “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him.And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.But My covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at this set time next year.”Then He finished talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.So Abraham took Ishmael his son, all who were born in his house and all who were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham’s house, and circumcised the flesh of their foreskins that very same day, as God had said to him.Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.That very same day Abraham was circumcised, and his son Ishmael;and all the men of his house, born in the house or bought with money from a foreigner, were circumcised with him. - Genesis 17:1-27 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis17:1-27&version=NKJV

Christians are under the covenant of Grace given to Abraham.

 

[God's Truth]

I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

You go against people who say they repented of their sins. You say they are NOT saved.

 

[JudgeRightly]

You are a faith alone believer who goes against repenting of sins to be saved.

Truster is a Calvinist who goes against your beliefs that we have to believe.

You both are in a competition to see who obeys God the least.

What don't Calvinists get about God not saving UNbelievers?

What don't faith alone believers get that their faith without right action like repenting of sins is dead faith?

See my above post addressed to you.

God's covenant of grace with Abraham was one-directional. Abraham did nothing to keep that covenant.

I strongly recommend you listen to the "Genesis: Abraham and Isaac" Bible study by Pastor Enyart, because he goes into detail about how these two covenants were made. Or, you could just read Genesis 15 and 17.

I do not speak peace to hypocrites. Read my signature.

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