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marhig

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...but as the scriptures say, God does not know and love personally those who reject Him.

No scripture can be dismissed. Use all the scriptures for understanding.
He can't love them personally of they reject him, because they won't accept him. But he still loves them.

Wouldn't you go to the ends of the earth for your children, even if they did wrong?

If God so loved the world, then God loves us all. And if we are to love our enemies them so did Jesus, and he did!

But I don't want to argue about it with you. That's what I believe anyway :)
 

God's Truth

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I see his hatred in his posts towards people he seems deeply troubled when people are speaking the word of God to him but he believes? in what he believes I hope one day that may change because only God can deal with that hatred to people.

Amen.

It is strange how he misunderstands most scriptures and spends so much time telling everyone how condemned we are.
 

God's Truth

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He can't love them personally of they reject him, because they won't accept him. But he still loves them.

Wouldn't you go to the ends of the earth for your children, even if they did wrong?

If God so loved the world, then God loves us all. And if we are to love our enemies them so did Jesus, and he did!
God came to save all, but not all will be saved.

But I don't want to argue about it with you. That's what I believe anyway :)

You keep saying that to me, but then you are arguing---but that is okay and right to do.

We are to debate, even in public debate. We are to argue, vigorously refute, sharply dispute, persuade, oppose, defend, confirm, command, preach, teach, instruct, rebuke, encourage, and contend.

Here are some reasons, from the bible, to support debating.

Acts 4:20 For we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard.

Acts 9:29 He talked and debated with the Grecian Jews, but they tried to kill him.

Acts 15:1 Some men came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the brothers: "Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved." This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question.

Acts 18:28
For he vigorously refuted the Jews in public debate, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ.

Acts 19:8-9 Paul entered the synagogue and spoke boldly there for three months, arguing persuasively about the kingdom of God. But some of them became obstinate: they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way. So Paul left them.

2 Corinthians 3:11 Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade men. What we are is plain to God, and I hope that it is plain to your conscience.

Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ. Galatians 1:10

Paul opposes Peter. See Galatians 2:11-21

Galatians 4:16 Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?

1 Timothy 1:3-4 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work—which is by faith.

1 Timothy 4:6 If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

2 Timothy 2:25-26 Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

2 Timothy 4:2-4 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Titus 1:9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

Titus 1:13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith

Jude 3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.
 

meshak

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Paul was and still is a good teacher.
The problem was, Paul was dealing with dunderheads like many of us here on TOL are.

Even Peter said his teachings are difficult to understand.

Good teachers won't make people confused.

Take a look at so many of you arguing over what Paul said.

It is clear that Paul's teachings are stumbling block to many followers.
 

God's Truth

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Even Peter said his teachings are difficult to understand.

Good teachers won't make people confused.

Take a look at so many of you arguing over what Paul said.

It is clear that Paul's teachings are stumbling block to many followers.

Peter says the ignorant and unstable do not understand Paul---Peter says JUST LIKE they do NOT understand the OTHER SCRIPTURES.

Go study some more and believe and obey.

You are a blasphemer and false judge of Paul.

2 Peter 3:16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
 

God's Truth

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You are anti-Christ the way you condemn Christians who don't agree with your puffed up faith.

You condemn others just like Truster. You do it more deceitfully, for you first pretend to be a friend. That is like Judas Iscariot. Or, like a jealous brother, Cain.
 

meshak

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Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post

Meshak, you are a false judge, and until you come with a truthful plea, keep your passive aggressive nature away from me.

The way you quickly getting angry at Christians are not being obedient to Jesus.

Your trait of quickly being offensive shows your immature faith.

with that kind of behavior, everything you say will work against you big time.

You lack in self control, friend.

You are not perfect. You have many flaws too.

You need to repent.
 

God's Truth

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The way you quickly getting angry at Christians are not being obedient to Jesus.

Your trait of quickly being offensive shows your immature faith.

with that kind of behavior, everything you say will work against you big time.

You lack in self control, friend.

You are not perfect. You have many flaws too.

You need to repent.

You calling me angry is more proof that you are a false judge.

Again, you also say false things about Apostle Paul. Who does that? How do you get that anyone who has eyes would go by what you say?

Now stop doing Satan's job by turning this thread into a false judgment thread.
 

God's Truth

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I spent hours explaining it to you one night during the last year.
You didn't get it then, and you refuse to understand it now.
I'm not going to expend any more time and effort explaining this to you, maybe someone else, but not you.

Forget it then. I spend many hours explaining things repeatedly to you.
 

meshak

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Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post

Meshak, you are a false judge, and until you come with a truthful plea, keep your passive aggressive nature away from me.

I suggest that you apologize to Pops.

It is only a good Christian thing to do. You have called him evil. That is so malicious, vile and out of line. that kind of behavior is the same as truster's whom you are talking against.

You need to grow up for your own sake.
 

meshak

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In addition GT,

Posp, marhig and I are pacifist and we don't claim to be saved or holy or elect.

Our faith is basically very different from yours. But we still did not speak against you because you preach to be obedient to Jesus.

And you are a pro-military. We are not.

I don't believe we are in the same path even though we also strive to be obedient to Jesus.

Our fruit are showing so differently.

Blessings.
 

Truster

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In addition GT,

Posp, marhig and I are pacifist and we don't claim to be saved or holy or elect.

Our faith is basically very different from yours. But we still did not speak against you because you preach to be obedient to Jesus.

And you are a pro-military. We are not.

I don't believe we are in the same path even though we also strive to be obedient to Jesus.

Our fruit are showing so differently.

Blessings.

I'm glad you don't claim to be saved, holy or elect, because you are not.
 
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