ECT For Those who Think MAD to be False: What is the Gospel?

Grosnick Marowbe

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Jesus taught GRACE but you cannot see it ! Remaining blind to TRUTH is YOUR choice, and it is a bad one.



Jhn 6:28
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?



If Jesus taught the law and not grace why did in the next verse did Jesus not mention the law but said to work the works of God believe on Him ?


Jhn 6:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, ]that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.



John 3:16 is another place that the gospel of John taught grace.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him would not perish but have eternal life.

So much for the gospels not teaching GRACE ! It is there YOU just cannot or will not see it.

You lack the ability to "Rightly Divide" The written word of God. That's why you're so extremely ignorant and confused.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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There's ONLY one Gospel for today in this "Dispensation of Grace", and that's the Grace Gospel that Paul received from the "Ascended Lord Jesus Christ." Any other gospel is considered "Another gospel."
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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The majority of posters on TOL do not adhere to "The Grace Gospel" or its teachings. Paul said in Romans 2:16 "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel." Paul's Gospel was/is The Grace Gospel.
 

dodge

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What does this verse mean? Matthew 15:24 "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

He also said:

Jhn 6:28
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?


Jhn 6:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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He also said:

Jhn 6:28
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?


Jhn 6:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

That doesn't negate the fact that Christ was ONLY speaking to the lost sheep of Israel in that verse. You've proven nothing.
 

Lighthouse

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The first sermons by Peter Acts 2 and Paul Acts 13 are the same. Of course they aren’t word for word but they are the same.

Addressing Israel
Peter:
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words;
Paul:
16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel,

Christ descended from David
Peter:
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Paul:
23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

Christ died
Peter:
23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Paul:
28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.

David saw decay
Peter:
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Paul:
36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:

Christ did not see decay
Peter:
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Paul:
37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.

Jesus resurrected
Peter:
32 This Jesus hath God raised up,
Paul:
30 But God raised him from the dead:

People witnessed the resurrection
Peter:
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Paul:
31 And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.

Forgiveness of sins through Jesus
Peter:
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Paul:
38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Jesus is Israel’s savior
Peter:
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Paul:
23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Acts 2:38 and Acts 13:38: why didn't Paul mention baptism?

Interesting that a few verses later MAD is evidenced:

But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul. Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. For so the Lord has commanded us:‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles,
That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’”


-Acts 13:45-47

The whole argument ( FAIL ) of MAD is that Paul revealed the message of GRACE that NO one else had.
No it isn't. Looks like the failure is on you.

You are wrong you just are NOT spiritual enough to know it.
:crackup:

I am not at all surprised you are resorting to that old chestnut. It's a common plugin for the Discredit Your Opponents application.

That which is flesh is flesh and that which is spirit is spirit.
Romans 8:9

Those that worship God must worship God in Spirit and truth.
John 4:24

I provided you verses ignore them at your own peril.
Which post?
 

turbosixx

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Acts 2:38 and Acts 13:38: why didn't Paul mention baptism?

Peter didn't mention it either until they responded to the message.
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brethren, what shall we do?"

Pauls audience rejected the message.
46 Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, "It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first; since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.

Paul mentions baptism plenty. Here when he finds people hadn't received the Holy Spirit “when they believed” Paul asks them about their baptism, not did they believe or what gospel they heard but what baptism did they receive. When he finds it was Johns, he baptizes them again “in the name of Jesus” then gives them the Holy Spirit.

Acts 19:1 It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. 2 He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." 3 And he said, " Into what then were you baptized? " And they said, "Into John's baptism." 4 Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
 

Lighthouse

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Peter didn't mention it either until they responded to the message.
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brethren, what shall we do?"

Pauls audience rejected the message.
46 Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, "It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first; since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.

Paul mentions baptism plenty. Here when he finds people hadn't received the Holy Spirit “when they believed” Paul asks them about their baptism, not did they believe or what gospel they heard but what baptism did they receive. When he finds it was Johns, he baptizes them again “in the name of Jesus” then gives them the Holy Spirit.

Acts 19:1 It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. 2 He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." 3 And he said, " Into what then were you baptized? " And they said, "Into John's baptism." 4 Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
Yes, Paul mentions it at times, but he never says it's necessary. Peter did.

But here's the root of the issue: Were the 12 sent to baptize? Was Paul?
 

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(John 3:16 KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 

Lighthouse

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It's about time someone posted John 3:16, but if you think that's the be all, end all of the gospel, of any gospel, you're sadly mistaken, and very lost.
 
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