graceandpeace
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Hi chickenman:
Yes, and all the OT saints KNEW the only way they could keep them...FAITH; for sin is not imputed; they are not under the law that condemns, and where there is no law, there is no transgression, as written..we keep the law perfectly by faith or we keep it not at all, and all the OT saints KEPT IT; as written...now ask yourself how it was possible?
Only one way, unless you want to make Jesus out to be a liar whom has said that the letter can only kill...and, it does. If the bible says some kept the law, then..you must begin to enquire HOW they did..same as US; FAITH.
and, they all sinned in the same fashion as we do; weakness of the flesh; so they did NOT keep the letter, but they did keep the law of FAITH; which does not impute sin.
SAME GOD in all ages, where faith is concerned.
I dont agree with this; Paul quoted David to show that even he KNEW, for it states very plainly EVEN as DAVID KNEW...so, I could not interpret it as you do.
The mystery is ONLY that it is now made known to all nations...want proof?
it says that, LOL
because he was not yet made perfect in faith; that does not mean he wasnt in the same faith/saved in the same fashion, etc.
Knowledge comes over time...when I was first saved, I didnt understand that either; you mix things into the gospel that are not to be mixed...I am sure that after David grew in knowledge a bit, he understood fully that God would not take the holy spirit from him.
He had the same gospel; the same faith that saves anyone of us today; he just did not have full knowledge that comes from growing in grace and in knowledge, LOL
Do not place him outside of the very body of Christ just because he was a babe in Christ and in need of learning a few things...that really bothers me that you madists have God's faithful, as some less sub group in need of salvation, it is almost like you are saying their faith in His sacrifice was not sufficient. BALONEY
sorry to be blunt, this is about to get on my nerves.
So it's clear that keeping the commandments was an absolute requirement if someone wanted to remain in the covenant relationship with God.
Yes, and all the OT saints KNEW the only way they could keep them...FAITH; for sin is not imputed; they are not under the law that condemns, and where there is no law, there is no transgression, as written..we keep the law perfectly by faith or we keep it not at all, and all the OT saints KEPT IT; as written...now ask yourself how it was possible?
Only one way, unless you want to make Jesus out to be a liar whom has said that the letter can only kill...and, it does. If the bible says some kept the law, then..you must begin to enquire HOW they did..same as US; FAITH.
David knew this. And thankfully, he also understood that a relationship with God was based upon not only works on the surface, but a heart condition. One who would walk by faith would do that which God said to do. One who would have a contrite and repentant heart would not neglect the performance of those works that God required. Works didn't save. But works done from faith would keep one in a covenant relationship with God.
and, they all sinned in the same fashion as we do; weakness of the flesh; so they did NOT keep the letter, but they did keep the law of FAITH; which does not impute sin.
SAME GOD in all ages, where faith is concerned.
Paul quotes David to make a point that David himself didn't understand, even though he wrote the words. This makes sense when we read things like:
I dont agree with this; Paul quoted David to show that even he KNEW, for it states very plainly EVEN as DAVID KNEW...so, I could not interpret it as you do.
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith... Rom. 16:25-26
The mystery is ONLY that it is now made known to all nations...want proof?
it says that, LOL
The Lord intentionally hid certain things from the saints of old, things that we can look back now and see. We can NOW look back and find the idea of salvation by faith alone and apply that to us, just like Paul did in Romans. But it cannot be said that, therefore, David was saved by grace through faith. He looked forward to that day. But in his life, he still cried out for the Lord to not take the Holy Spirit from him, for the Lord to forgive him. Those were his very words, from Ps. 51. And all of Israel knew that in order to remain in a covenant relationship with God, they had to love Him and keep His commandments. Those were God's very words, directly from Deut. 7.
because he was not yet made perfect in faith; that does not mean he wasnt in the same faith/saved in the same fashion, etc.
Knowledge comes over time...when I was first saved, I didnt understand that either; you mix things into the gospel that are not to be mixed...I am sure that after David grew in knowledge a bit, he understood fully that God would not take the holy spirit from him.
He had the same gospel; the same faith that saves anyone of us today; he just did not have full knowledge that comes from growing in grace and in knowledge, LOL
Do not place him outside of the very body of Christ just because he was a babe in Christ and in need of learning a few things...that really bothers me that you madists have God's faithful, as some less sub group in need of salvation, it is almost like you are saying their faith in His sacrifice was not sufficient. BALONEY
sorry to be blunt, this is about to get on my nerves.