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PureX
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There is a simple solution, and that is to stop trying to "prove" the existence of God - which can't be done - and to start focussing on the advantages of faith in God, instead. Unfortunately, many religious Christians have no faith in God at all, and so they spend all their time trying to "prove" that God is real by proving that their religious beliefs are based on real events. As a result they end up looking ridiculous, and then making faith in God look ridiculous, too.
The solution is to let go of this need for "proof" which is based on a lack of faith anyway, and focus instead on faith itself, and the real positive results of choosing to place our faith in a loving God. When we do this, evolution and faith in God have no conflicts.
brother Willi
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"proof", would eliminate free will.
you get "proof", after you decide.
but that "proof" comes not on our command
brother Willi
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science is science
give to science, that which is science's
give to God, that which is God's
PureX
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Not really. There is a huge amount of evidence to support the theory of evolution, yet lots of people still choose to just ignore it. Reality and "proof" don't mean much to people compared to their ideas about reality and how they support themselves emotionally through those ideas.
Well, you get what you choose to believe is "proof", yes.
Actually, it does, I think. We're setting the criteria of what we choose to call "proof", so it actually is by our own "command" that we experience it. Most of us just refuse to recognize this, though.
Let's not stray from the point
Let's not stray from the point
"Hello Frank Ernest
If God created the earth and all that is in it then time did not exist until He created it. Where billions of years comes from beats me. If God's word is truth then we must accept it as truth. So when God did create one day then we must understand that it was a literal day. We cannot change God's word to suit ourselves, we should His word to change us.
Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Where is the billions of years that you speak within these verses.
Love
Val "
I covered the first two verses of Genesis. No time frame is recorded. Simple as that. I did not speak of anything beyond verses 1 and 2.
Verses 3-5 are obviously subsequent to verses 1-2. Therefore, AFTER God created heaven and earth, and the earth became ruined and desolate, He said, "Let there be light: ..." Again no time frame is given. Scripture does not tell us exactly when the "first day" occurred.
Let's not stray from the point
"Hello Frank Ernest
If God created the earth and all that is in it then time did not exist until He created it. Where billions of years comes from beats me. If God's word is truth then we must accept it as truth. So when God did create one day then we must understand that it was a literal day. We cannot change God's word to suit ourselves, we should His word to change us.
Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Where is the billions of years that you speak within these verses.
Love
Val "
I covered the first two verses of Genesis. No time frame is recorded. Simple as that. I did not speak of anything beyond verses 1 and 2.
Verses 3-5 are obviously subsequent to verses 1-2. Therefore, AFTER God created heaven and earth, and the earth became ruined and desolate, He said, "Let there be light: ..." Again no time frame is given. Scripture does not tell us exactly when the "first day" occurred.
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Physics 101
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"now for that time shift question
4.3 billion years ?
time do shift."
Great! And this means what?
"speed has force in its equasion."
F=ma?
"force is acceleration?"
Applied force to a mass produces acceleration, but force is not acceleration.
"can speed exist without acceleration? "
Newton thought so. (2nd Law of Motion). I assume you mean velocity rather than speed.
"UMMMM nope"
You'll have to argue that one with Newton.
"can speed continue in a vacuem, without acceleration?"
Same Newtonian answer.
"UMMM yep."
You're at 50%.
"how can we get speed without acceleration? "
Initially, medially or terminally? You're being very confusing.
Physics 101
"now for that time shift question
4.3 billion years ?
time do shift."
Great! And this means what?
"speed has force in its equasion."
F=ma?
"force is acceleration?"
Applied force to a mass produces acceleration, but force is not acceleration.
"can speed exist without acceleration? "
Newton thought so. (2nd Law of Motion). I assume you mean velocity rather than speed.
"UMMMM nope"
You'll have to argue that one with Newton.
"can speed continue in a vacuem, without acceleration?"
Same Newtonian answer.
"UMMM yep."
You're at 50%.
"how can we get speed without acceleration? "
Initially, medially or terminally? You're being very confusing.
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Morphy
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Yeah - I've seen it many times. Like people who believe there is no evolution inspite of obvious scientific facts.
I listen pastor's Enyart program and I really enjoy it, but when I hear him denying evolution with silly pseudoarguments I'm jam-packed with doubts. If he is so mistaken on evolution - how can he be right on other, bible-related issues???
And what is your view? What's the god's role in evolution?
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Morphy
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Originally posted by brother Willi
science is science
give to science, that which is science's
give to God, that which is God's
Say to pastor Enyart and 'the brightest audience in the country' to render scientists the things that are science's and render the god the things that are god's...
brother Willi
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"KINDS" to what we see today is what you call "evolution" my friend.
abiogenises, CAN NOT BE PROVEN
NOPE, GOD'S will NOT mine.
we cammand nothing
God is in us, we just need to listen.
brother Willi
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Frank Ernest
we do not disagree, i think.
i said "well thought out"
time is as time does.
to us inside, we can only measure as we do.
is time in a jar, the same as outside the jar?
depends what the jar is doing
we do not disagree, i think.
i said "well thought out"
time is as time does.
to us inside, we can only measure as we do.
is time in a jar, the same as outside the jar?
depends what the jar is doing
brother Willi
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F=ma?
Force is Mass X Speed?
Speed needs Force to get in motion
Force is Mass X Speed?
Speed needs Force to get in motion
Morphy
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So what you're basically saying is that evolution has some natural boundaries, namely, 'kinds' cannot be crossed. So why don't you enlighten me where are those boundaries. Come on - maybe god intervenes when somewhere suddenly adenine is replaced with guanine what could create gene specific to different 'kind'? :chuckle:
Show me the natural boundaries. I'm waiting.
Morphy
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Seems logical. As a matter of fact - if I was a god and wanted to explain to primitive people how evolution created all species, I'd do it exactly like bible does: in the beginning there was sea with simple creatures, then life emerged from the ocean to newly created islands and finally a man has appeared.
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