Europe Is Burning

[The Berean]

A short discussion about the refugee job prospects in Germany.

The Real Prospects Of Jobs For Refugees In Germany

 

[Granite]

So your reply to the rebuttal that not meddling didn't work was to repeat the claim? Shall I link the name of the logical fallacy for you?

Don't really know what you're talking about. We should probably just stick to talking football.

 

[Nick M]

Don't really know what you're talking about.

Probably so. Allow me to recap one more time. You said we meddle and if left alone islam would not chop the heads off of nonbelievers.

I gave a link to 9-11, which happened because Bill Clinton left them alone.

You repeated the claim. That is all I have for this, you get the last word.

 

[Granite]

Allow me to recap one more time. You said we meddle and if left alone islam would not chop the heads off of nonbelievers.

Uh...nope. Never said this at all. Go back and read what I actually said. Total invention on your part (or an assumption drawn from what I said that's simple ignorance or misunderstanding on your part).

I gave a link to 9-11, which happened because Bill Clinton left them alone.

9/11 happened for a multitude of reasons.

 

[PureX]

There isn't really any solution to this crisis. Which is why so many are focussed on the blame. But focussing on the blame isn't a solution, and only serves to distract us from the problem, which doesn't really serve anyone.

When an archaic cultural paradigm find itself thrust into a modern complex global environment, chaos naturally results. And in that chaos, the thugs, criminals, and wannabe tyrants that lurk in every society will seize the opportunity to bring death and destruction to the masses. Sad as it is to say, this is a part of the nature of humanity. And when it happens, it causes these kinds of mass-displacements of the general population as they try to avoid being raped, robbed and murdered by the thugs running amok. Yet as they seek safe asylum somewhere else, they naturally disrupt the peace and order there, as well. Though not as badly as where they came from. So what to do when the refugees come to your door? Do you take them in, knowing that doing so will cause some hardship for you and yours? Or do you turn them away and tell yourself you're just protecting your own?

I suspect we all know how Jesus would have answered this question.

 

[This Charming Manc]

I gave a link to 9-11, which happened because Bill Clinton left them alone.

ignoring facts Again?

Clinton administration
Capturing Osama bin Laden had been an objective of the United States government since the presidency of Bill Clinton.[165] Shortly after the September 11 attacks it was revealed that President Clinton had signed a directive authorizing the CIA (and specifically their elite Special Activities Division) to apprehend bin Laden and bring him to the United States to stand trial after the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Africa; if taking bin Laden alive was deemed impossible, then deadly force was authorized.[166] On August 20, 1998, 66 cruise missiles launched by United States Navy ships in the Arabian Sea struck bin Laden's training camps near Khost in Afghanistan, narrowly missing him by a few hours.[167] In 1999 the CIA, together with Pakistani military intelligence, had prepared a team of approximately 60 Pakistani commandos to infiltrate Afghanistan to capture or kill bin Laden, but the plan was aborted by the 1999 Pakistani coup d'état;[167] in 2000, foreign operatives working on behalf of the CIA had fired a rocket-propelled grenade at a convoy of vehicles in which bin Laden was traveling through the mountains of Afghanistan, hitting one of the vehicles but not the one in which bin Laden was riding.[166]

In 2000, prior to the September 11 attacks, Paul Bremer characterized the Clinton administration as "correctly focused on bin Laden", while Robert Oakley criticized their "obsession with Osama".[122]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden

 

[PureX]

“The island we landed on was called Samothrace. We were so thankful to be there. We thought we’d reached safety. We began to walk toward the police station to register as refugees. We even asked a man on the side of the road to call the police for us. I told the other refugees to let me speak for them, since I spoke English. Suddenly two police jeeps came speeding toward us and slammed on the brakes. They acted like we were murderers and they’d been searching for us. They pointed guns at us and screamed: ‘Hands up!’ I told them: ‘Please, we just escaped the war, we are not criminals!’ They said: ‘Shut up, Malaka!’ I will never forget this word: ‘Malaka, Malaka, Malaka.’ It was all they called us. They threw us into prison. Our clothes were wet and we could not stop shivering. We could not sleep. I can still feel this cold in my bones. For three days we had no food or water. I told the police: ‘We don’t need food, but please give us water.’ I begged the commander to let us drink. Again, he said: ‘Shut up, Malaka!’ I will remember this man’s face for the rest of my life. He had a gap in his teeth so he spit on us when he spoke. He chose to watch seven people suffer from thirst for three days while they begged him for water. We were saved when they finally they put us on a boat and sent us to a camp on the mainland. For twelve days we stayed there before walking north. We walked for three weeks. I ate nothing but leaves. Like an animal. We drank from dirty rivers. My legs grew so swollen that I had to take off my shoes. When we reached the border, an Albanian policeman found us and asked if we were refugees. When we told him ‘yes,’ he said that he would help us. He told us to hide in the woods until nightfall. I did not trust this man, but I was too tired to run. When night came, he loaded us all into his car. Then he drove us to his house and let us stay there for one week. He bought us new clothes. He fed us every night. He told me: ‘Do not be ashamed. I have also lived through a war. You are now my family and this is your house too.’” (Kos, Greece)

 

[bybee]

This is so heart breaking. There is need and many of us are trying to meet the need. I am able to donate through my Church. But I pray that solutions may be found.
I put myself in the shoes of these folks and wonder if I could survive it.
I have been very poor. I have gone hungry. But I have not been destitute in a foreign land where people didn't want me.

 

[This Charming Manc]

Thanks bybee...

You brought us back to whats important how to help and love people not on how to play political gotcha on who is to blame for the worlds ills.

This is so heart breaking. There is need and many of us are trying to meet the need. I am able to donate through my Church. But I pray that solutions may be found.
I put myself in the shoes of these folks and wonder if I could survive it.
I have been very poor. I have gone hungry. But I have not been destitute in a foreign land where people didn't want me.

 

[PureX]

This is so heart breaking. There is need and many of us are trying to meet the need. I am able to donate through my Church. But I pray that solutions may be found.
I put myself in the shoes of these folks and wonder if I could survive it.
I have been very poor. I have gone hungry. But I have not been destitute in a foreign land where people didn't want me.

Yes. There is no easy or just solution. People are in dire need, and blaming and making excuses won't help them. God bless the German people for being willing to help these folks, even though it will inevitably cause them considerable upset and difficulty.

 

[Granite]

The west broke it, they get to buy it now. These refugees aren't exactly happy to be far from home, just to remind everyone.

 

[PureX]

The west broke it, they get to buy it now. These refugees aren't exactly happy to be far from home, just to remind everyone.

Yes, many will go home when they are able. That's true. And hopefully they will take with them the desire to live in a more modern, peaceful society. (Not that they don't desire that, already.)

 

[bybee]

Yes. There is no easy or just solution. People are in dire need, and blaming and making excuses won't help them. God bless the German people for being willing to help these folks, even though it will inevitably cause them considerable upset and difficulty.

Once, quite a while ago I was having difficulties with my oldest child. She was truant, doing drugs and out of control. I had reached a point where I didn't know what to do.
A wise counselor said "It is easy to love the lovable child. That is not the test. To love the unlovable and keep on trying to be loving anyway that is the test".
With this immigrant crisis. It is not going to go away. We need to find ways to help these people. We can't let them starve and die of exposure. We ought to work at the integration process so they are aware of the society into which they are settling.
This not easy, but to do nothing is a stain on our soul.

 

[PureX]

Once, quite a while ago I was having difficulties with my oldest child. She was truant, doing drugs and out of control. I had reached a point where I didn't know what to do.
A wise counselor said "It is easy to love the lovable child. That is not the test. To love the unlovable and keep on trying to be loving anyway that is the test".
With this immigrant crisis. It is not going to go away. We need to find ways to help these people. We can't let them starve and die of exposure. We ought to work at the integration process so they are aware of the society into which they are settling.
This not easy, but to do nothing is a stain on our soul.

Solutions are easy to see, but often not so easy to implement. Already the scoundrels in Germany are looking for ways to exploit the unfortunate circumstances of these refugees. They will try to use them as slave labor, and force the women to become prostitutes. They will overcharge them for everything because they're newcomers to the German economic system. They'll lie to them and abuse them because they know they'll be afraid to go to the authorities and complain. And so on and so on. All the worst traits of the German people will find expression in this crisis. You can bet on it.

But that doesn't have to be the only side of the story. The German people could also use this crisis to develop their best traits, and to discover their best people, too. They could develop ways to create paying decent jobs for large numbers of emigrants. With all that man-power they could perhaps consider doing some larger infrastructure projects, or implement some large scale positive social system changes. They could develop new ways of providing small business loans to the newcomers that would develop new and interesting business possibilities that the Germans themselves might not otherwise have considered.

The point is, these kinds of social upheavals can become catalysts for really great and positive changes, too. They don't have to just be the catalyst for abuse, exploitation, and suffering.

Every difficulty is also an opportunity, as they say. But people have to have the desire and the will to make it so.

 

[The Berean]

Solutions are easy to see, but often not so easy to implement. Already the scoundrels in Germany are looking for ways to exploit the unfortunate circumstances of these refugees. They will try to use them as slave labor, and force the women to become prostitutes. They will overcharge them for everything because they're newcomers to the German economic system. They'll lie to them and abuse them because they know they'll be afraid to go to the authorities and complain. And so on and so on. All the worst traits of the German people will find expression in this crisis. You can bet on it.

But that doesn't have to be the only side of the story. The German people could also use this crisis to develop their best traits, and to discover their best people, too. They could develop ways to create paying decent jobs for large numbers of emigrants. With all that man-power they could perhaps consider doing some larger infrastructure projects, or implement some large scale positive social system changes. They could develop new ways of providing small business loans to the newcomers that would develop new and interesting business possibilities that the Germans themselves might not otherwise have considered.
The point is, these kinds of social upheavals can become catalysts for really great and positive changes, too. They don't have to just be the catalyst for abuse, exploitation, and suffering.

Every difficulty is also an opportunity, as they say. But people have to have the desire and the will to make it so.

Many in Germany are pushing for this, a way to get the talented imigrants easier access to Germany's famous apprenticeship programs.

Germany’s handling of immigration will shape the future of Europe

 

[Granite]

Many in Germany are pushing for this, a way to get the talented imigrants easier access to Germany's famous apprenticeship programs.

Germany’s handling of immigration will shape the future of Europe

Germany is now welcoming immigrants. Yes, Germany. We've officially come full circle.

 

[glorydaz]

Germany is now welcoming immigrants. Yes, Germany. We've officially come full circle.

Ah, that is strange....full circle. :think:

 

[gcthomas]

Germany is now welcoming immigrants. Yes, Germany. We've officially come full circle.

Germany has a shrinking population, so its economy needs lots of immigrants.

 

[The Berean]

In the 1960's West Germany imported Turkish immigrants to help grow their economy. So what germany is attempting to do today is not without some precident.

Turkish guest workers transformed German society

 

[Nick M]

Islam is already revealing their desire to go to Germany, and it has nothing to do with war torn countries or jobs.

Yesterday, the Mail reported how social workers and women’s groups in Giessen wrote a letter to the local state parliament claiming that rape and child abuse were rife in the refugee camp. The allegations were corroborated by Atif over his curry. ‘The camp is dangerous,’ he agreed. ‘Men of different nationalities fight and women are attacked.’

The letter says the camp, far from being a peaceful haven for those fleeing war, is a dangerous melting-pot, where there have been ‘numerous rapes and sexual assaults, and forced prostitution’.

There are even reports of children being raped and subjected to sexual assault, it adds.

‘Many women have felt the need to sleep in their clothes... they won’t go to the toilet at night because rapes and assaults have taken place on their way to, or from, there. Even in daylight, a walk through the camp is fraught with fear.’

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