gcthomas
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Yes Nazeroops - reducing crime and poverty whilst improving health is anathema to conservatives.
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Europe Is Burning
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Yes Nazeroops - reducing crime and poverty whilst improving health is anathema to conservatives.
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Wrong with us? Hardly...Maybe we should withdraw from the world, stop all aid, stop all interaction with anyone, when there his a disaster or injustice just stand pat just like Europe (or the rest of the world) does. Who will they blame when it is all falling apart...that's right, the U.S....I wish I could see the world as simplistically as you do....simplistic or naive.
As evidenced by his posts time and again he shows his hatred for his own country. Never a compliment for the good we do, only condemnation and mean spirited fault finding.
You mean if we hadn't invaded in the first place this wouldn't have happened? Gee. Who woulda thunk it.
Exactly what I meant you condescending moron.
lain:No, that is what you mean...The deed was already done, leaving those people in Iraq before they were able to rebuild their nation, protect themselves or govern effectively was just irresponsible and created the vacuum that ISIS exists in today.
I do agree in this case but, loathe? I'll leave all the self loathing of my country & it's mistakes to you...you do that very well, almost with every post in this thread.
No, I doubt it...It doesn't look like thinking on your part ever happened on this subject.
Nice try...You cannot give Obama a pass for his incompetence, or of how he handled the situation because someone else left him the mess. Obama showed his incompetence, poor leadership, & decision making all on his own, aside from the hand he was dealt, would you like a list of poor decisions that this inept buffoon of a president has made? He owns them all, it comes with the office.
Your Darn Right...don't like your country Granite? Find a better one...
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The Berean
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Do you have any clue about what you are talking about? I've been following the immigration issues for a while. In the video I posted the Swedish guy explains the housing and job shortage. Even the refugees who have entered Sweden are asking about the shortage of jobs and housing.
Nazaroo
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Christian conversion reduces crime and poverty.
Banning alcohol improves health.
Who cares about conservatives.
You're on the wrong page again as usual.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCSB_BiNSZo&list=PLF185363966DB64A1&index=3
gcthomas
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I know you'd like that to be true, but wishing it doesn't make it so.
According to statistics from the Federal Bureau of Prisons, Christians make up almost 80 percent of the prison population. Atheists make up about 0.2 percent. [...] It is safe to conclude that the godless do not fill prisons. Published studies do indicate that a child's risk of sexual abuse by a family member increases as the family's religious denomination becomes more conservative, that is, when the teachings of scriptures and other doctrines are taken more literally. Similarly, the probability of wife abuse increases with the rigidity of a church's teachings pertaining to gender roles and hierarchy.
Prof. Victor J. Stenger (2007)
lukecash12
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It wasn't just inaction. France in particular has been funding terror organizations by paying ransom for quite some time now. Between the oil money for Iran and other money going directly into terrorist pockets, Europe has basically funded their own crisis.
Let's not forget that we share responsibility in this, because of the amount of American weapons in the ME. Also, not long after we withdrew from the vicinity that three country pocket of the ME flew into turmoil, with direct consequences on Jordan and Israel, two of our staunchest allies in the region.
This Charming Manc
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Then maybe Dubya should've had a better exit strategy before he invaded the joint to begin with. Or maybe we shouldn't have started a war that resulted in thousands of dead Iraqis, especially one built completely on a lie. Just a thought.
What you demonstrate is the typical American inability to even acknowledge the possibility that we can and do make mistakes, let alone the slim chance we could ever hope to actually learn from them.
The buck stops at his desk, no question. That said, he's no worse than many of his predecessors. What you guys see as prime evil is just another in a long line of empty suits.
Because, as we know, there's nothing more American than not trying to fix a problem.:rotfl:
Again, you've been suckered--you and rocketman both.
Let's unpack this, shall we?
"Hmm. We made a mistake, probably shouldn't do that again."
"YOU HATE AMERICA."
"Well...no. But we kinda screwed up, and killed a whole bunch of--"
"COMMUNIST."
"Wait, wait. I love this country, I just don't think it's perfect. In fact if you really love your country shouldn't you try to make it--"
"LEAVE, SOCIALIST!"
It's impossible to deal with this kind of jingoistic foolishness. Criticism of America is just that--but too many Americans respond as though critique is hatred and an examination of our flaws is beyond the pale.
The religion of America is powerful indeed.
Your immediate justification for your every word precludes growth on your part.
Very sad.
It's impossible to talk to you anymore.
PureX
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It's very puzzling, this phenomena. It seems to stem from the idea that, "I am what I believe" (identity-politics, I think it's called). So that should someone question or disagree with my beliefs, I feel as if they are attacking me, personally, and respond in kind.
There is a lot of this going on around here (TOL), and around the country in general, these days. I'm sure it's because politicians politicize everything, with the help of the 24-7 media, and the oligarchy in general like to keep us all at each other's throats so that we won't come together and fight them to take back control of our own government, media, and economy. But what is it in people that makes them need to BE an ideology? As opposed to just believing in an ideology?
That one's a mystery to me.
Whatever the reason, though, it certainly does stop communication. Just as it stops growth and reason on the part of the ideologue, because every new or foreign idea is treated like a personal insult.
Well, there's comfort in joining or identifying with a cause greater than oneself. Vicarious pride and victory and all that.
But the religion of America goes well beyond identity politics. It's got divinely inspired documents, borderline sacred fathers and prophets, and a rewritten history all its own that so happens to be at odds with reality.
This McDisney version of America's not unique to the political or religious right, though it's certainly firmly at home there. Introspection and self-criticism have never, historically, been American virtues. And they're not virtues found in any kind of zealot.
Once you buy into the city on a hill, Manifest Destiny, and American exceptionalism, any deviance from national dogma's treated instinctively like heresy. And what do we do with heretics? Well, in the old days we flogged or pilloried or hanged them. Today we attack and shun. We ostracize. We mock. We try to end the discussion before it begins. If you can short-circuit criticism of the accepted true national faith you're exercising what Orwell called crimestop--the ability for a true believer to instinctively shy from trains of thought that might lead to unorthodoxy.
And that's really what we're dealing with when broaching the subject of America's wrongs: Orthodoxy versus anyone, from anywhere, who dares defy the dogma and credo of the United States. We've come a long way from mom and apple pie. Politically active evangelicals believe in the Bible--of that, I have no doubt. But sometimes they act as though they believe in the religion of America even more.
Youve said that about a lot of people here lately, perhaps the problem is actually yours.
The Berean
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As I expected Germany is now running out housing for all the refugees. In Hamburg, the city wants the authority to take vacant properties away from their rightful owners who have refused to have their properties used to house the excess refugees. They have introduced government bill to grant them such powers.
Germany: Migrants In, Germans Out
In Hamburg, the second-largest city in Germany, municipal officials on September 23 introduced an audacious bill in the local parliament (Hamburgische Bürgerschaft) that would allow the city to seize vacant commercial real estate (office buildings and land) and use it to house migrants.
City officials argue the measure is necessary because more than 400 new migrants are arriving in Hamburg each day and all the existing refugee shelters are full. They say that owners of vacant real estate have refused to make their property available to the city on a voluntary basis, and thus the city should be given the right to take it by force.
The measure, which will be voted upon in the Hamburg parliament within the next two weeks, is being applauded by those on the left of the political spectrum. "We are doing everything we can to ensure that the refugees are not homeless during the coming winter," Senator Till Steffen of the Green Party said. "For this reason, we need to use vacant commercial properties."
In the town of Nieheim, a German nurse was evicted from her apartment to make room for refugees.
German nurse shocked after being forced out of flat to make way for refugees
Germany: Migrants In, Germans Out
In Hamburg, the second-largest city in Germany, municipal officials on September 23 introduced an audacious bill in the local parliament (Hamburgische Bürgerschaft) that would allow the city to seize vacant commercial real estate (office buildings and land) and use it to house migrants.
City officials argue the measure is necessary because more than 400 new migrants are arriving in Hamburg each day and all the existing refugee shelters are full. They say that owners of vacant real estate have refused to make their property available to the city on a voluntary basis, and thus the city should be given the right to take it by force.
The measure, which will be voted upon in the Hamburg parliament within the next two weeks, is being applauded by those on the left of the political spectrum. "We are doing everything we can to ensure that the refugees are not homeless during the coming winter," Senator Till Steffen of the Green Party said. "For this reason, we need to use vacant commercial properties."
In the town of Nieheim, a German nurse was evicted from her apartment to make room for refugees.
German nurse shocked after being forced out of flat to make way for refugees
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So your reply to the rebuttal that not meddling didn't work was to repeat the claim? Shall I link the name of the logical fallacy for you?
The Berean
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Can the young adult refugees be integrated into the German work force? This article addresses this question.
Germany's working-age refugees and empty jobs: Why the disconnect?
Germany's working-age refugees and empty jobs: Why the disconnect?