The mislead serve a false God. The followers of Jesus listen to him-John 4:22-24-Hesaid the true followers would worship the Father in spirit and truth---Not the Father, son and holy spirit. He first warned about the other gods being false beside the one he pointed his followers to. It takes believing Jesus over the errors.
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The mislead serve a false God. The followers of Jesus listen to him-John 4:22-24-Hesaid the true followers would worship the Father in spirit and truth---Not the Father, son and holy spirit. He first warned about the other gods being false beside the one he pointed his followers to. It takes believing Jesus over the errors.
Jesus real followers believe Jesus-Am i correct? He pointed all to the true God-John 4:22-24--So the only question is who will you believe.
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Don't just write up a heap of gibberish and post it as if it were a "reply" to my post, as you've done, here, yet again. Instead, read what I have written in my post, and try to respond rationally to it, or don't even bother to hit "Post reply".
Seriously, what are you trying to accomplish on TOL?
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when the unregenerate die
luke 16:22 ... The rich one also died and was buried.
23 And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, ...
then
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God. And the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell delivered up the dead in them. And each one of them was judged according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death.
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To show how dumb /on drugs he is of course. I mean that's certainly the only thing he is actually accomplishing. So I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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jw avoided this , not surprised
no,the bible teaches the unregenerate exist after death
Rev20:12 And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God.
no , just exist
Isa 14:9 The place of death is excited that you are coming. Sheol is waking the spirits of all the leaders of the earth for you. Sheol is making the kings stand up from their thrones to meet you.
Isa 14:10 They will make fun of you, saying, "Now you are as dead as we are. Now you are just like us.
Agreed.
To me that means an eternity in the lake of fire with the rebellious angels.
Rev 20:15..."And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
Rev 20:10..."And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
That is right.
*misled
God is not false. You have been misled. Thus, you serve a false god.
So far, you've ignored everything I quoted from Him. Telling, isn't it?
Here's the list again for you that proves that Christ's entire ministry was self-focused (which if He wasn't God, would be idolatry and blasphemy):
| Thus Saith the Lord: If we count how many times the Old Testament prophets said, "Thus says the Lord" we find them using that phrase, in the New King James Version of the Bible, about 420 times. The New Testament on the other hand, never once records that phrase. Jesus Christ, with all the red ink devoted to recording His words, never once used that ubiquitous phrase, "Thus saith the Lord." Rather, Jesus proclaims, "I say to you," in the Gospels! Not a single "Thus says the Lord," but rather, "I say to you," 135 times. The following chart demonstrates biblically that these two phrases, Thus saith the Lord, and I say unto you, indicate the same thing, that God is speaking. For Jesus Christ made it clear that He Himself was at the heart of His message. Unlike the righteous priests and kings, prophets and the apostles, the Lord came to teach us about Himself: Christ's Self-focus:
Scores of times Jesus uses the personal pronoun My with words like commandments, sake, words, lambs, sheep, peace, love, joy, voice, name, sayings, kingdom, angels, and church. Three examples powerfully illustrate the point. First, "Abraham rejoiced to see My day..." Secondly, "I know My sheep, and am known by My own." And thirdly, "Assuredly, I say to you... Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away." The prophets and John were the messengers; Jesus is the Message, the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and put Himself at the center of His message, because He is God. |
Funny how you ignore the rest of what was said...
Here's the passage for context:
Therefore, when the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John(though Jesus Himself did not baptize, but His disciples),He left Judea and departed again to Galilee.But He needed to go through Samaria.So He came to a city of Samaria which is called Sychar, near the plot of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph.Now Jacob’s well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied from His journey, sat thus by the well. It was about the sixth hour.A woman of Samaria came to draw water. Jesus said to her, “Give Me a drink.”For His disciples had gone away into the city to buy food.Then the woman of Samaria said to Him, “How is it that You, being a Jew, ask a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?” For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.”The woman said to Him, “Sir, You have nothing to draw with, and the well is deep. Where then do You get that living water?Are You greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well, and drank from it himself, as well as his sons and his livestock?”Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again,but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”The woman said to Him, “Sir, give me this water, that I may not thirst, nor come here to draw.”Jesus said to her, “Go, call your husband, and come here.”The woman answered and said, “I have no husband.” Jesus said to her, “You have well said, ‘I have no husband,’for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; in that you spoke truly.”The woman said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet.Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship.”Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.”Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.” - John 4:1-26 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John4:1-26&version=NKJV
Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”The Pharisees therefore said to Him, “You bear witness of Yourself; Your witness is not true.”Jesus answered and said to them, “Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from and where I am going.You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one.And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me.It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true.I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.”Then they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.” - John 8:12-19 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John8:12-19&version=NKJV
(By the way, this passage also shows why God MUST be triune, since it's a matter of testimony. God said that one witness is not enough to establish a matter, but that two or three do. If God is a singular Being, then His testimony that He is good and always has been is not valid. But since God is triune, that means that the Son and Holy Spirit can testify that the Father is good, and the Father and the Holy Spirit can testify that the Son is good, and the Father and Son can testify that the Holy Spirit is good. God Himself is a trifold witness that He is good.)
You need to capitalize "Son" and "Holy Spirit" They are names.
Supra.
Yet you won't even acknowledge what He said in the list I posted above.
No, because you reject that Jesus is God.
Yes, He did, because His message was self-focused, as I showed you above.
Supra.
You clearly don't believe Him.
Is this really all the substance you're capable of?
What are you even doing here?
You showed nothing of the sort! What are you even talking about? Who here has ever suggested that there has ever been more than one true religion?
Your mind seems to be broken.
You might try responding to what I actually said instead of finding weirdly disconnected reasons to repeat what your cult leader had washed your brain with.
Or are you the leader?
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Rev 20:12 is the resurrection to judgement. The Lake of fire = the second death=permanent. Rev 20:14
Symbolism--Mark 9 47-48-- calls it Gehenna--Where the worm dieth not. No worm can survive a literal place of fire.
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He's the chief copy editor.
There are many false Gods on earth being worshipped--Here is one the blind have before their face every valentines day = cupid. Worshipped for centuries by the Greeks.
Both Jesus and Paul talk of false Gods then name only the Father as God. John 4:22-24-1Cor 8:5-6
There are 34,000 claiming to be christian, all claim to have holy spirit but every one has different teachings.
I showed you with bible truth. Its you who refuse to believe the bible. You are mislead into believing the errors.
Gods view of a cult is all that counts-33,999 trinity religions= a house divided will not stand.
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Body part
Permanent existence in the lake of fire.
Indeed there are. Jesus is not one of them.
Red herring.
Correct.
False.
1) You REALLY need to work on your spelling, grammar, and punctuation when typing. It's so bad, I'm not sure how you graduated from elementary school...
2) John 4:22-24 does not say "only the Father is God."
3) 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 does not say "only the Father is God."
1) *Christian
2) Citations, please.
Yes, that tends to happen when you have multiple people studying one thing.
Yet all of the people who are actually Christians believe that God is triune, 1 God, 3 Persons.
No, you showed what you think the verses said. The problem is that the verses don't show what you want them to say.
Bearing false witness is a sin. So is pride. You are committing both.
We believe the Bible. We refuse to believe the same thing you believe, for lack of evidence. Your beliefs are not the Bible.
*misled
Says the one who's been brainwashed into believing something other than what the Bible teaches.
So does what He said about false prophets.
Still need a citation for this number. Get on that.
Agreed.
So why are you trying to cause division?