Epoisses
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Nang is right for once, Dispensationalism is the scourge of Christianity. They are single handedly responsible for turning Christians into Messianic Jews like Daqq the deceiver.
Establishment of the Identity of Christ and The Destruction of the Temple
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Nang is right for once, Dispensationalism is the scourge of Christianity. They are single handedly responsible for turning Christians into Messianic Jews like Daqq the deceiver.
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More false accusations. Shame on you liars.
Epoisses
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Hide your head in the sand and pretend everything is OK. The worst lies are the ones handed down so you grow up believing them and don't even know why.
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Hogwash through and through.
Dispensationalists simply accept what God is dispensing at any point in history.
Keep up with your FALSE accusations Mr. "Christian".
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You people will condemn Calvin, White, Smith, Russell and the likes as false prophets but never have the guts to admit that Darby is at the very top of that list. Your beliefs don't come from the bible they come from him where every mention of Israel is always ethnic and of the flesh. Israel of the Spirit or the Israel of God are designations for born-again believers who have circumcised hearts. You have to have the Holy Spirit be a member of the house of God.
You never proved the Cross of Christ was not necessary to atone for sin.
You replaced it with your own ideas.
LA
You are just as much a Dispy as those you rail against. The following is true, which was posted to you in this thread, and you have nothing to say against it because you know it is true: and this by the way is actually where you decided to derail the thread, because you have no answer for it and it shows your theories to be utterly carnal minded and misguided:
Why do you pay no attention to what was just said to you, (again)?Originally Posted by Epoisses
Half of the people on this forum advocate Law or Torah worship in some form so yes the antichrist will physically make an appearance, order the restoration of Jerusalem and the temple and then force the entire world back under the Law of Moses. It's coming whether you hide your head in the sand or not.
Your flesh-minded interpretation is calling Paul a liar.
If you say there are any prophetic statements from the Apostolic writings which have never yet come to pass then it simply means that your version of the Messiah, (because of Matthew 24 and Mark 13), and your version of Paul, (because of passages like 1Cor 15:51-58, 1Thes 4:15-18, and 2Thes 2:1-12), and your version of the author of the Apocalypse do not comply with the Torah; and therefore your version of them all, including the Messiah, are false prophets whom we are not to heed or fear, (Deut 18:15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22). You are teaching and believing in a false Messiah who violates the Torah by way of your misunderstanding of spiritual things. The Gospel is to each in his or her own appointed times, times appointed of the Father, a day and hour which no one but the Father knows. To say that such things never happened to those to whom the authors wrote, (such as even those to whom Paul wrote), is a complete misunderstanding of holy and spiritual teachings in holy and spiritual writings. Do you suppose the Thessalonians were keeping a watchful eye on the literal physical temple in Jerusalem from almost a thousand miles away across the Mediterranean Sea? They did not have Wailing-Wall webcams, satellites, television, computers, ipads, iphones, telephones, or even electricity in those days. It is not that such things are not future, but that they happen to all true disciples of the Messiah in the times appointed of the Father, (when a child becomes a son, Gal 4:1-2), and they are therefore future as pertaining to you in your own appointed times; and truth be told, your apocalypse will not likely be televised.
Ah, yes of course, and the Thessalonians were supposed to be watching for "the man of sin to be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he as God sits in the temple of God shewing himself that he is God." And of course, according to your literal-physical material world minded theory, the Thessalonians were supposed to be watching for this to happen in the literal physical temple-building made with hands of men, in the literal physical city of Jerusalem of below, from more than 800 miles away across the Aegean and Mediterranean Sea; without TV, satellites, cell phones, computers, the internet, a telescope, a pair of binoculars, or even electricity! Meanwhile they were right there in the heart of Yavan! (Greece, or as the KJV says in Daniel 8:21, "Grecia", lol).
And of course, according to you Paul lied because it never happened for any of them because it was not an individual event, so they had to wait for your "final generation" to come along. Too bad they could not live two thousand years to see what you might get to see!
Iggy, not worth entertaining, start another thread if you desire to prove what you say. Oh yeah, wait, you already did that, and then you closed it like a coward in the face of all the scripture that refutes you to your face! :rotfl:
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How am I a Dispy when I advocate an Israel of God or a spiritual Israel? That's the highest sin on their side of the fence.
From your own thread in your own words where you rail against Dispensationalism and then proceed to expound your own corrupt and perverted view of extreme Dispensationalism, which I will place in bold red highlighting:
Do you even know what Dispensationalism is? You are railing against it while teaching pure Dispensationalism which you yourself stole from the Dispensationalists. And that appears to be what you do in just about everything you say and do, O hypocrite Perushiin, (666), judge. :chuckle:
And that is because you see the kingdom of Elohim as physical, and outside of yourself, in direct opposition to the Testimony of the Messiah in Luke 17:20,21, Matthew 24:23,24,25,26,27, and Mark 13:21,22,23, for the kingdom of Elohim does not come with the ocular-visual observation of your eyes of the flesh, for the kingdom of Elohim is within you: neither shall they say, "Look, there it is over there!", or "Look, here it is over here!"
You therefore reject the Testimony of the Messiah once again, but another has come in his own name, and him you have received into your house because you did not test the spirits by the Word and Testimony of the Messiah whom you claim to know and even worship.
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Dispensationalists reject spiritual Israel you brain-dead moron!
There you go again disrespecting the Testimony of the one you claim to be Almighty God whom you supposedly claim to worship. You take the name of the Father in vain when you speak against the Testimony of the Master as you do; for when you disrespect the Testimony of the Messiah and trample it, you trample his very blood, because it is the Spirit of Grace which is the Testimony, and he plainly tells you that his words are SPIRIT and LIFE, (this is the very same thing LA, Nang, and the like-minded such as yourself cannot grasp, and why you all keep blaspheming the Messiah with your deeds and words). And when you claim the name of Messiah, and claim to represent the Almighty Father, and then proceed to go about disrespecting the Testimony of His Son in the Gospel accounts, calling another believer a "brain-dead moron", (which is no different from "raca" or "fool", which is moros in Matthew 5:22, and exactly where "moron" comes from), you blatantly and openly take the name of the Father in vain because you disrespect and trample the Word, His Son.
Matthew 5:22 KJV
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, [G3474 μωρός] shall be in danger of hell fire.
G3474 μωρός moros (mō-ros') adj.
1. dull-witted, foolish, mentally slow (as if shut up), i.e. heedless.
2. (apparently) absurd.
[probably from the base of G3466]
KJV: fool(-ish, X -ishness)
You are a blasphemer and denier of the Testimony of Messiah: and every time you trample his holy Testimony, you, like LA and Nang, trample his blood, and trample the Spirit of Grace, (and since Nang is running around thanking LA for her blasphemies it is apparent that Nang also agrees that it is good to trample the Spirit of Grace so as to try to silence perceived enemies on an internet forum board where no one actually knows anyone else they argue with, lol, what a bunch of hypocrites and imposters).
Your following comments are pure hardcore fundamentalist literal-physical futurist DISPENSATIONALIST teachings whether you know it or not, or whether you are willing to admit it or not. The typical Zionist may or may not agree with you about whether the "Antichrist" will be Jewish or not; but aside from that, everything else you have said, all of the basic principles and understanding, comes straight from hardcore Dispensationalist, literalist, futurist, one-time-only, prophetic fulfillment teachings; even straight out of "The Late Great Planet Earth" written by the modern father of, (the rebirth of), Dispensationalism, Hal Lindsey.
Originally Posted by Epoisses
Antichrist and his right hand man of sin. The antichrist is Satan himself who will appear at the end as the conquering king the Jews have been waiting their whole existence for. He will conquer the world with his fallen angels and then command that Israel and Jerusalem be exalted above all the nations of earth. He will rebuild the temple and then choose from the Jewish people a high priest to officiate over it's blasphemous services. This high priest or man of sin or little horn from Daniel will be given unlimited power and all those who refuse to keep the law and give up the gospel will be put to death. The antichrist will also use the final pope to rule the Gentiles. So there will be three rulers in the end-time: Antichrist as the false messiah or false christ / Man of sin or the high priest of the tribulation temple / Final Pope as the false prophet of the Gentiles.
Lol, and you especially gave yourself away by the words, "the tribulation temple" . . . :chuckle:
You will say almost anything to avoid confessing the blood of Christ is necessary to atone for sin.
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That is nothing more than another lie. Why can you not understand what I say?
The blood of Messiah is necessary to atone for sin. You must have it within and without, and this testimony goes all the way back to the Ark of Noah which was pitched within and without with red pitch-tar, (which is of course symbolism), and Moses uses the same words to describe those things which are also used for atonement later in the Torah. The same is true of the ark of bulrushes which Moses himself was placed in when his mother set him in the Nile: it was pitched with bitumen and pitch. This atonement-covering process and teaching runs through the scripture, which is yet even more, over and above what was already posted in your closed thread, which you fail to incorporate in your false atonement theory. If therefore you do not have the Word within you, then you are not his, and you have no atonement because you do not have and hold the Testimony of the Messiah in uprightness and truth. The Testimony is everything, including the blood of Messiah, which is the Spirit of Grace, for just as he plainly tells you: his Testimony is SPIRIT and LIFE.
Why can you not grasp or fathom such things? It is because you do not have the Logos-Reasoning of the Word of the Father within you. And therefore you do not have true atonement because you allocate the POWER of the Testimony to the physical natural blood of a human being which you imagine covers your sins inside and out. If the physical natural blood of animals cannot cover and atone for your sins according to the scripture then what makes you think that the physical natural blood of a human being can make that difference? especially when you actually have no way to apply that physical natural human blood because it is long gone and nowhere to be found? You have doomed yourself by your own carnal interpretations of carnal logic. You are a theoretical cannibal teaching theoretical cannibalism and telling lies about me because I do not accept your understanding which according to your own theory is physical natural human blood, covering you inside and out, and supposedly atoning for your sins. You are a heathen of heathens because you refuse to heed the warning of Paul and walk according to the SPIRIT.
PS ~ And why do you continue to disrupt this thread with these off-topic things when you have your own thread on this topic which you yourself CLOSED?
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The blood of Christ has atoned for sin, quite apart from His Testimony.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
You say so many lies about me and what I believe that I doubt you even listen to Christ at all.
LA
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I am a non-dispensational or moderate futurist. There are different flavors of prophetic interpretation but I wouldn't expect a blunt instrument like you to know that.
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His sole purpose is to push Torah for Gentiles. He's an enemy of the gospel and a foot soldier of the devil.
You do not read that in the context of all the passages quoted in your own closed cowardly thread. Therefore you fail. So again, why are you disrupting this thread when you have your own thread on this whole topic? It is because you are nothing more than a harasser, and you are so inflamed with fury, anger, vengeance, and self-pride, that you do not care what the topic is here but only care about exacting revenge because your doctrine has been refuted by the scripture. I am not compelled to explain it all over again and again to you because the answers will remain the same; and you have already rejected what the scripture says in favor of your own paradigm-mindest-ego-god of the flesh man nature.
Another lie. I quote from the Gospel accounts and the Apostolic writings all the time and you reject those words all the time because you do not believe the scripture. I believe all of it from Genesis to the Apocalypse and use all of it in my doctrine and understanding. In fact, as I have said many times, the Torah cannot be understood without the holy Testimony of the Messiah. Even Paul tells you that the goal is not to abolish the Torah but to understand it in the light of the Testimony of the Master. And because you do not even believe Paul, but have rather made up your own private phony version of the Gospel, you have blinded yourself to the true understanding of the Torah out of your hatred for the Word of Elohim. And the veil that is over your heart, mind, and eyes, when you read the Torah, will not be removed until your heart turns back toward the Father and you begin to immerse yourself in the Testimony of the Messiah, for as even Paul tells you, that veil over your heart, mind, and eyes, when you read the Torah, can only be removed IN Messiah. Your rejection of the LIVING ORACLES of Elohim, which is what Stephen calls the Torah in his testimony in Acts 7, is a rejection of the Living Word whom you claim to know, love, and even worship. You have essentially abolished the Son of Elohim in your heretical doctrine, for Testimony is Spirit, just as the Master tells you that his words are SPIRIT and LIFE, and the Torah is the Testimony of the Father, (through His Son, through Moses), and therefore that Testimony in the Torah is the Father's Son: the same whom you imagine to be abolished, but you only succeed in abolishing him from your own heart and the machinations of the vain imagination of your mind. Your doctrine is utterly false and full of lies. You say out of one side of your mouth that you worship the Son of Elohim as God Almighty, and yet, at the same time you unwittingly and buffoonerously say out of the other side of your mouth that the Son of Elohim is abolished, not even knowing what you say when you say it. You are as blind as a bumbling blood-sucking vampire bat with a twenty-foot wingspan: "Holde sssssteeel, I vant to suck your bluuud!" :chuckle:
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