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The fact that Dylan Roof, like many other terrorists, took the flag to represent his squalid prejudices, led to this pass. Really no different than the swastika, which was also originally a positive symbol until the Nazis appropriated it.

The difference between the swastika and the Confederate flag is that the Confederate flag was never a positive symbol.
 

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The difference between the swastika and the Confederate flag is that the Confederate flag was never a positive symbol.

It was originally a battle flag which distinguished the seceding states from the Union states. Flags were necessary to prevent fire on one's own troops, for one thing. The war was about the constitutional authority of individual states as opposed to and authoritarian Federal government. The battle still rages.
 

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The flag didn't represent slavery. It's been Shanghaied.

The Cornerstone Speech, also known as the Cornerstone Address, was an oration delivered by Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens at the Athenaeum in Savannah, Georgia, on March 21, 1861...The Cornerstone Speech became so known for Stephens' assertion:

The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last...Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error...Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.
 

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The Cornerstone Speech, also known as the Cornerstone Address, was an oration delivered by Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens at the Athenaeum in Savannah, Georgia, on March 21, 1861...The Cornerstone Speech became so known for Stephens' assertion:

The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last...Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error...Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

He was wrong.
 

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The flag didn't represent slavery. It's been Shanghaied.

It has. But it will be generations before that stigma goes away. If you're Jewish, and you discover someone's painted a swastika on your fence, you probably won't be interested in hearing that it once was a good luck symbol.

This is the dilemma.
 

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The difference between the swastika and the Confederate flag is that the Confederate flag was never a positive symbol.

That's exactly right.

The Confederate Flag stood for treason, slavery, and racial hatred.

It has never stood for anything else.

It has never been positive.

Yet, people continue to defend this symbol of racial hatred.
 

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You do know Uncle Jesse was a fictional character?

Which is what this thread is about. A fictional show.

So lets recap. You think it should be off because it represents slavery and racism (the show). I mock you showing Uncle Jesse represents those things? You then say he is fictional as though it is a comeback.

But it is actually a poor misdirection. Because you are stupid and not good at it.
 

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Tet you are aware that the Stars & Bars was a battle flag not the flag of the Confederacy are you not? If you are all in a twist about flags this is the one that represented the Confederacy, the battle flag that is displayed at Confederate war memorials all over the south represent the men that fought for the Confederacy. It is a part of American history whether you or anyone else wants to squelch it, it will always be part of our history, just as slaves were kept under the American flag prior to the American Civil War. This is the Flag of the Confederacy until 1863 & stars were added to the circle before the end of the war, and being from the south I have never seen it flown...ever.

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tetelestai

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Tet you are aware that the Stars & Bars was a battle flag not the flag of the Confederacy are you not?

Don't make me laugh.

The flag in your post was the first flag the Confederacy came up with. However, it caused too much confusion during battles because it looked too much like the Stars and Stripes the North used.

So, the Confederacy came up with the following flag next. They took the battle flag of Virginia (Bars & Stars) and placed it in the upper left corner of a white flag:

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This flag didn't work for the Confederacy either because when there was no wind, it looked too much like a plain white flag (universal sign of surrender)

So, next the Confederacy added a red stripe at the end. Their final flag:

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The reason I say don't make me laugh is because it took the South three attempts to come up with a flag. Their first one looked too much like the North's, and their second flag looked too much like a surrender flag. That doesn't exactly make the South look too bright when it comes to flag design.

The second and third flags were designed by the White Supremacist William T. Thompson.

Thompson said the following about the flags he designed for the Confederacy:

"As a people we are fighting to maintain the heavenly ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause. Such a flag would be a suitable emblem of our young confederacy, and sustained by the brave hearts and strong arms of the south, it would soon take rank among the proudest ensigns of the nations, and be hailed by the civilized world as THE WHITE MAN’S FLAG.”

So, as we see, the designer of the flag himself was a racial bigot, and he made it clear what the Confederate Flag stood for.
 

tetelestai

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Just another liberty down the drain. And Tet cheers.

You can fly all the Confederate flags you want at your house, stick one on your pick-up truck, wear one on your shirt, etc.

All they did was take it off government property.

How is that a liberty down the drain?
 
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