Drug Dealing and the Bible

Tyrathca

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Interesting that your focus is still on making money...perhaps you'd make a good modern doctor after all.
It isn't on making money, your the one with the focus on any current or future doctors only wanting to make money. Are you so thick you can't see I was trying to point out that if I were so focused on making money I wouldn't be in medicine but instead choose a different, easier and less stressful profession?
 

Tyrathca

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Success in the current educational system indicates quite clearly that:

(1) You've bought into their secular humanist philosophy bigtime, or

(2) You've lied and pretended to buy into their secular humanist philosophy.
How does the secular humanist philosophy help you to understand mathematics? How does it help you to understand chemical reactions and the periodic table, how does it help you to undertsand electricity, or the laws of physics, or history, or other languages, or legal studies, etc... All these are things you learn in school and can thus do well in school if you know them. What areas of school would suffer if I had not "bought into" this supposed philosophy? And why did my school seem to overtly teach a christian philosophy that ran counter to my own?

In other words, you've allowed yourself to be marked down as pro-abortion, gay-friendly, anti-Christian, and that you know how to kiss arse and not ruffle feathers by working within the system to take your cut and affect very little social change that is not within the parameters spelled out by the educational heirarchy.
I know of no schools that were pro-abortion, mine was anti. I know of no schools that are anti-chrisitian, mine was very much pro-christian. Gay-friendly? Many try but fail, but I doubt you could call any school pro-gay though. What do you know of schools? How can you be so confident in your claims when you admit that it is all based off of a few news reports?
 

koban

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Look under your avatar:

Posts: 15,626

and they're all like this. Explains even more.



Dude - you're a frootloop. Totally whacked. Out of your gourd.

You're just so far wrong on stuff that's easy to look up (like diabetes, insulin, alcohol, Thalidomide) that I don't even bother to unravel your foolishness regarding scripture.

Similar in that regard to Omega, another Canuck
 

Nazaroo

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What areas of school would suffer if I had not "bought into" this supposed philosophy? And why did my school seem to overtly teach a christian philosophy that ran counter to my own?

I know of no schools that were pro-abortion, mine was anti. I know of no schools that are anti-chrisitian, mine was very much pro-christian. Gay-friendly? Many try but fail, but I doubt you could call any school pro-gay though. What do you know of schools? How can you be so confident in your claims when you admit that it is all based off of a few news reports?

Dude, you live in Australia. You have no clue what is going on here in our schools.
 

Nazaroo

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Dude - you're a frootloop. Totally whacked. Out of your gourd.

You're just so far wrong on stuff that's easy to look up (like diabetes, insulin, alcohol, Thalidomide) that I don't even bother to unravel your foolishness regarding scripture.

Similar in that regard to Omega, another Canuck

Oh, lets see: WRONG about the re-release of Thalidomide in South America?

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/110/2/404
http://www.informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1517/14740338.3.1.47?cookieSet=1&journalCode=eds
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/137438.stm




http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/150106.php

the drug - still used today to treat leprosy, cancer of the bone marrow (multiple myeloma), and as an anti-tumour agent - could be re-developed for some treatments, so it does not contain the element that causes defects.
...
Thalidomide was available to pregnant women in the late 1950s but it was taken off the UK market in 1961 after a link was made between the drug and the numbers of babies born with severe deformities.
...

"This has become more urgent since the drug is now used around the world to treat leprosy and multiple myeloma, due to the drug's anti-inflammatory abilities and its effects on the immune system.

"Tragically, some children are still being born today with thalidomide-induced limb defects in South America and Africa where it is used as a treatment for leprosy.
But you're right: "stuff that's easy to look up"

http://www.google.com/webhp#hl=en&s...uth+America&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=3aa7f458acaa2672

Why are you acting like such a liar? Do you seriously want to just misinform everyone who reads this thread?

They DID re-release Thalidomide in South America, where German drug companies are free to experiment on human populations, because corporate interests control the corrupt puppet governments.

duh.

peace,
Nazaroo
 

Nazaroo

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Hmmm, while we're at it, lets check the official causes of Diabetes too:



First lets distinguish Type1/Type2 Definitions and Causes:

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Type 1 Diabetes is an autoimmune disease that affects only 0.3% of people on average.

Etiology and Risk factors which may trigger type 1 diabetes may be genetic, poor diet (malnutrition) and environment (e.g., virus affecting pancreas). Secondly, in most of the cases, diabetes occurs because there is abnormal levels of some hormones in blood which act as antagonists to insulin. Example- Adrenocortical hormone, Adrenaline hormone and Thyroid hormone.
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Type 2 Diabetes is also called non insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus (NIDDM) or adult-onset diabetes. It occurs when the body produces enough insulin but cannot utilize it effectively.

This type of diabetes usually develops in middle age. A general observation says that about 90-95 % of people suffering with diabetes are type 2; about 80 percent are overweight. It is more common among people who are older; obese;



Following are the Causes of Diabetes

  • Poor Diet (Malnutrition Related Diabetes) : Improper nutrition, low protein and fiber intake, high intake of refined products are the expected reasons for developing diabetes.
  • Obesity and Fat Distribution : Being overweight means increased insulin resistance, that is if body fat is more than 30%, BMI 25+, waist grith 35 inches in women or 40 inches in males.
  • Sedentary Lifestyle : People with sedentary lifestyle are more prone to diabetes, when compared to those who exercise thrice a week, are at low risk of falling prey to diabetes.
  • Stress : Either physical injury or emotional disturbance is frequently blamed as the initial cause of the disease. Any disturbance in Cortiosteroid or ACTH therapy may lead to clinical signs of the disease.
  • Drug Induced: Clozapine (Clozaril), olanzapine (Zyprexa), risperidone (Risperdal), quetiapine (Seroquel) and ziprasidone (Geodon) are known to induce this lethal disease.
  • Infection : Some of the strephylococci is suppose to be responsible factor for infection in pancreas.
  • Hereditary or Inherited Traits : It is strongly believed that due to some genes which passes from one generation to another, a person can inherit diabetes. It depends upon closeness of blood relationship as mother is diabetic, the risk is 2 to 3%, father is diabetic, the risk is more than the previous case and if both the parents are diabetic, the child has much greater risk for diabetes.

Other Related Conditions/Cofactors

  • Age : Increased age is a factor which gives more possibility than in younger age. This disease may occur at any age, but 80% of cases occur after 50 year, incidences increase with the age factor.
  • Sex : Diabetes is commonly seen in elderly especially males but, strongly in women and those females with multiple pregnancy or suffering from (PCOS) Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome.
  • Hypertension : It had been reported in many studies that there is direct relation between high systolic pressure and diabetes.
  • Serum lipids and lipoproteins : High triglyceride and cholesterol level in the blood is related to high blood sugars, in some cases it has been studied that risk is involved even with low HDL levels in circulating blood.
http://diabetesinformationhub.com/WhatCausesDiabetes.php
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Officially, the exact causes of Diabetes, especially individual cases, is unknown.

But this just reflects the current Western medical philosophy of not confronting the patient with causes of disease at all, i.e., being judgemental.

Instead, doctors are trained to ignore causes, and concentrate on symptoms, avoiding conflict or comments on obvious dangerous factors and conditions such as lifestyle, and/or work environment, which would implicate and incriminate large corporations for their unsafe work environments and practices.

Thus contrary to current non-judgemental but unrealistic policies, we can say frankly that 90% of modern 'diabetes' (adult-onset) is caused by diet and/or environment, not heredity, which is just a red herring, a smoke-screen to cover up the real problem.

This does not mean that in every case it is the individual patient/victim's fault:



Chemical Hazards in the Workplace and Environment:


Many common chemical hazards are known to cause pancreatic damage and insulin production failure:

Lead exposure, Cadmium, 'junk food' (restaurant chain food, e.g. MacDonalds etc.), for which corporations, not victims or parents should be held accountable for.

"Arsenic acts as a growth stimulant in chickens -- develops the meat faster -- and since then, the poultry industry has gone wild using this ingredient," says Donald Herman, a Mississippi agricultural consultant and former Environmental Protection Agency researcher who has studied this use of arsenic for a decade. At mean levels of chicken consumption (60 g/person/day), people may ingest 1.38-5.24 micrograms/day of inorganic arsenic from chicken alone.


Junk Food Additives are strongly linked to Diabetes:

Alloxan, the chemical that makes white flour look "clean and beautiful" destroys the beta cells of the pancreas. Scientists have known of the alloxan-diabetes connection for years yet there seems to be a conspiracy that defends the integrity of the FDA, which allows dangerous chemicals that can cause diabetes to be used in drugs and food.

aspartame:
According to research conducted by Dr. H.J. Roberts, a diabetes specialist, a member of the ADA, and an authority on artificial sweeteners, aspartame:

1) Leads to the precipitation of clinical diabetes.

2) Causes poorer diabetic control in diabetics on insulin or oral drugs.

3) Leads to the aggravation of diabetic complications such as retinopathy, cataracts, neuropathy and gastroparesis.

4) Causes convulsions.

Dr. Roberts said, "The loss of diabetic control, the intensification of hypoglycemia, the occurrence of presumed 'insulin reactions' (including convulsions) that proved to be aspartame reactions, and the precipitation, aggravation or simulation of diabetic complications (especially impaired vision and neuropathy) while using these products."

The FDA's own toxicologist, Dr. Adrian Gross told Congress that without a shadow of a doubt, aspartame can cause brain tumors and brain cancer and violated the Delaney Amendment which forbids putting anything in food that is known to cause Cancer.

Sodium Benzoate:
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has known for almost 15 years that potassium benzoate and sodium benzoate react with ascorbic acid to form benzenes. Potassium benzoate, sodium benzoate and ascorbic acids are all commonly used to preserve freshness in soft drinks.

The excess of diabetes reported for the Benzene Sub registry occurred in the group aged 10 to 17 years, suggesting it is likely that IDDM is the type of diabetes most prevalent. It has been demonstrated that most IDDM patients have autoantibodies to the pancreas (Lernmark et al., 1981), as well as to other organs Benzene has been shown to stimulate the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenocortical (HPA) axis of mice (Hsieh et al., 1991), accompanied by increased ACTH/corticosterone release into the blood.

Modern pharmaceuticals are also known to cause both Type 1 and Type 2 Diabetes

http://www.naturalnews.com/023701_diabetes_food_health.html


For more info try here:

http://causesofdiabetes.org/

http://www.google.com/webhp#hl=en&q...10&oq=causes+of+diabetes+&fp=3aa7f458acaa2672

peace
Nazaroo
 

Tyrathca

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Dude, you live in Australia. You have no clue what is going on here in our schools.
Dude, you yourself admitted that you have no idea what is happening in your schools appart from news reports. Besides it sounded like you were claiming a worldwide conspiracy, do you really think these pharmaceutical companies are obsessed with CANADA of all places???

_________________________________________________
Type 1 Diabetes is an autoimmune disease that affects only 0.3% of people on average.

Etiology and Risk factors which may trigger type 1 diabetes may be genetic, poor diet (malnutrition) and environment (e.g., virus affecting pancreas). Secondly, in most of the cases, diabetes occurs because there is abnormal levels of some hormones in blood which act as antagonists to insulin. Example- Adrenocortical hormone, Adrenaline hormone and Thyroid hormone.
First of all why did you highlight adrenaline, abnormal levels of hormone and environment? Second of all the statement about an association with diet in unsubstantiated and runs contrary to respectable sources such as "Kliegman: Nelson Textbook of Pediatrics, 18th ed", which states that dietary causes are controversial and are thought to be specific inoccuous types of food not malnourishment (if there is a link at all). Your site doesn't reference itself at all, suprising given its bold and controversial claims.

Instead, doctors are trained to ignore causes, and concentrate on symptoms, avoiding conflict or comments on obvious dangerous factors and conditions such as lifestyle, and/or work environment, which would implicate and incriminate large corporations for their unsafe work environments and practices.
Ahhhh.... NO! Doctors do emphasise factors, predominantly exercise, weight and diet in diabetes because by fixing these a patient can, potentially if caught early, avoid medications for a long time.
Thus contrary to current non-judgemental but unrealistic policies, we can say frankly that 90% of modern 'diabetes' (adult-onset) is caused by diet and/or environment, not heredity, which is just a red herring, a smoke-screen to cover up the real problem.
Dishonest statement that does not reflect the statistics. T2DM has a strong genetic component as well as the strong lifestyle component, therefore to say that 90% has nothing to do with genes is a dishonest description.



It's late and I'm too tired to do the literature reviews necessary to deal with the rest of your crazy.... :wave:
 

koban

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Yeah, me too.


It's way easier to just write him off.

And if he's so wrong on this stuff, why should I invest any time in his craziness about scripture?
 

Nazaroo

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Sooner or later every thread gets taken over by a couple of spamming clowns.

Its just too bad you don't want to discuss the OP topic at all.

I'll start a new thread, about drug dealers and the Bible. Maybe that thread will reach some people before you start spamming it.

peace
Nazaroo
 

Tyrathca

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Sooner or later every thread gets taken over by a couple of spamming clowns.

Its just too bad you don't want to discuss the OP topic at all.

I'll start a new thread, about drug dealers and the Bible. Maybe that thread will reach some people before you start spamming it.

peace
Nazaroo
Hey its your own fault. I'm certainly not spammming as I am responding directly to your posts, if you only want to talk about drug dealing and the bible then only talk about drug dealing and the bible. Don't go crying about how people aren't talking about the OP when your the one who brings up non-biblically related discussions concerning the merits of the medical system and other crazy conspiracies. It makes you look like a spoilt child chucking a tantrum because people aren't playing the way you want.
 

jeremysdemo

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Yeah,

and what about all those incense the rabbi's used to burn in the temple?
you know before the DEA classifieds certain herbs as narcotics?...there was no DEA in Biblical times in fact particular herbs and toads, and mushrooms, roots, etc. where sought out in primitive cultures for spiritual rituals.

They used to call it the Shekina, the peace or peaceful presence of the Lord......perhaps just a contact buzz from all the burning incense?

Ancient Hebrew: Man I was so tense today, stressed out, but then I went to the temple and felt the presence of the Lord, now I feel relaxed and at peace.
Ancient Gentile: Dude, your God is great! how do I convert?

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
 

Nazaroo

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Yeah,

and what about all those incense the rabbi's used to burn in the temple?
you know before the DEA classifieds certain herbs as narcotics?...there was no DEA in Biblical times in fact particular herbs and toads, and mushrooms, roots, etc. where sought out in primitive cultures for spiritual rituals.

They used to call it the Shekina, the peace or peaceful presence of the Lord......perhaps just a contact buzz from all the burning incense?

Ancient Hebrew: Man I was so tense today, stressed out, but then I went to the temple and felt the presence of the Lord, now I feel relaxed and at peace.
Ancient Gentile: Dude, your God is great! how do I convert?

keep shinin

jerm :cool:


I knew we'd be hearing from the "legalize pot" hippie children sooner or later...

Its too bad you influence real children to do stupid things.
 

Granite

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I knew we'd be hearing from the "legalize pot" hippie children sooner or later...

Its too bad you influence real children to do stupid things.

From the sounds of it anyone's kids can act good and dumb no matter what their upbringing is.

Stop being so judgmental. You are not a special case and need to stop acting like one.
 

Nazaroo

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From the sounds of it anyone's kids can act good and dumb no matter what their upbringing is.

Stop being so judgmental. You are not a special case and need to stop acting like one.

There's nothing more foolish than targeting a sin that doesn't exist, and falsely caricaturing the sinner.

You want to cast me as an adolescent, but I'm afraid your hysteria is probably based upon your own projections from what you know of your own character.

I don't think I'm special, and I am not bothering to 'act out' for you.

You have a good imagination: its a shame to see it wasted on this trash.

Its funny how the non-Christians, the 'real thinkers', the mature people, seem to spin off so easily into these emotionally charged accusations, usually based on fear (xenophobia?) of the unknown.

Its as if you are afraid that Christianity might have some substance after all, even a hidden non-visible reality behind the materialist front, and the crudely physical.

All I can say is I hope you find out that:

(1) Yes, there is a God, He is the God of the Bible, and Christianity is part of His plan.

(2) Its not as scarey as you think: Your panic has a cure - discovering a loving God who will accept you, behind the distorted 'Father figure' you are projecting as a result of your own unhappy childhood.

I am praying for you, because I believe that underneath the posturing and censuring, you are sincere in seeking the truth, and only your confused fears prevent you from deeply investigating the Gospel at face value, which is in fact deeper than you imagine.

peace
Nazaroo
 

jeremysdemo

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jeremysdemo said:
Yeah,

and what about all those incense the rabbi's used to burn in the temple?
you know before the DEA classifieds certain herbs as narcotics?...there was no DEA in Biblical times in fact particular herbs and toads, and mushrooms, roots, etc. where sought out in primitive cultures for spiritual rituals.

They used to call it the Shekina, the peace or peaceful presence of the Lord......perhaps just a contact buzz from all the burning incense?

Ancient Hebrew: Man I was so tense today, stressed out, but then I went to the temple and felt the presence of the Lord, now I feel relaxed and at peace.
Ancient Gentile: Dude, your God is great! how do I convert?

keep shinin

jerm
I knew we'd be hearing from the "legalize pot" hippie children sooner or later...

Its too bad you influence real children to do stupid things.

Legalize! lol not me, I have seen too many great minds obliterated by that stuff! :patrol:

I don't know if I am so much one of the "hippie children" as I was a child of a hippie :) (only 35 so it was all new wave and punk, not hippie music when I was coming up)

Sorry if I replied on topic, (with real facts about the "burning" in the temple and how it was waved all around the crowd) it won't happen again, you can go back to whatever else it was you were doing here....

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
 

Aner

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While it is probably irrelevant for me to speak the truth (since no one will pay attention least of all the idealogue who started this thread in the first place) - I will make one comment.

Pharmakeia has NOTHING to do with the religious right's war on drugs - this is a propaganda ploy. Pharmakeia has to do with using herbs and the like (perhaps the herbs we use for our food) to cast spells and engage in sorcery. Please review Kittel's etc for a correct understanding of this word and concept...

It is the sorcery that is an issue - not the poor hemp plant that God made, God called "good" and God gave to mankind to use (Gen1:29, etc.).

This whole drug use/pharmakeia thing is another phoney Evangelical attempt at "morality-policing" just as they did with alcohol prohibition and nearly tore our country apart....

I attach Jim Webb's discussion from the LEAP home page as to the massive disconnect with the incarceration rates in the USA and the entire rest of the known world... etc.

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php


It would be better that we started respecting God and His creation rather than calling it and, thus, Him, evil.... as our "leaders" criminalize and the religious leadership demonize His creation.

Best,
Aner
 

Tyrathca

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You want to cast me as an adolescent, but I'm afraid your hysteria is probably based upon your own projections from what you know of your own character.
Granites posts could hardlt be called hysterical, your own argument would be better directed at yourself.
I don't think I'm special, and I am not bothering to 'act out' for you.
Well you act like it, maybe then you should re-assess how you present yourself to others.
Its as if you are afraid that Christianity might have some substance after all, even a hidden non-visible reality behind the materialist front, and the crudely physical.
Thats some serious projecting of what you'd like non chrisitans to think.
(2) Its not as scarey as you think: Your panic has a cure - discovering a loving God who will accept you, behind the distorted 'Father figure' you are projecting as a result of your own unhappy childhood.
Very poor pop-psych analysis, especially since your only basis for this assumption is that granite is an not religious therefore you are claiming that ALL the hundreds of millions of nonreligious in the world all had unhappy childhoods and distorted "father figure". Care to present any evidence for this? It should be fairly easy to prove a strong correlation between it and atheism since they have done similar studies for psychiatric disorders such as depression.
 

Granite

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There's nothing more foolish than targeting a sin that doesn't exist, and falsely caricaturing the sinner.

You want to cast me as an adolescent, but I'm afraid your hysteria is probably based upon your own projections from what you know of your own character.

I don't think I'm special, and I am not bothering to 'act out' for you.

You have a good imagination: its a shame to see it wasted on this trash.

Its funny how the non-Christians, the 'real thinkers', the mature people, seem to spin off so easily into these emotionally charged accusations, usually based on fear (xenophobia?) of the unknown.

Its as if you are afraid that Christianity might have some substance after all, even a hidden non-visible reality behind the materialist front, and the crudely physical.

All I can say is I hope you find out that:

(1) Yes, there is a God, He is the God of the Bible, and Christianity is part of His plan.

(2) Its not as scarey as you think: Your panic has a cure - discovering a loving God who will accept you, behind the distorted 'Father figure' you are projecting as a result of your own unhappy childhood.

I am praying for you, because I believe that underneath the posturing and censuring, you are sincere in seeking the truth, and only your confused fears prevent you from deeply investigating the Gospel at face value, which is in fact deeper than you imagine.

peace
Nazaroo

Well I don't know where your post came from or what you're talking about, so maybe we should just stop wasting each other's time. You've taken your pain as a parent and used it as an excuse to act increasingly arrogant and obnoxious throughout this thread. Quit acting like a high and mighty special case (and especially stop trolling Facebook for pictures of teenagers: creepy) and seek some help. You have significant issues for which professional guidance would probably be extremely beneficial.
 

jeremysdemo

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I think he is trying to prove that the incense burning in the Temple was sorcery, of course we may never know since he does not respond directly to topic related post and only makes quick snide faulty presumptions about the posters instead, ad hominem.

If he had a point he could have made it by now, or at the least had a dialogue about the topic with those whom came willing.

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
 
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