Does God forgive and forget our sins?

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It has been said that God forgives and forgets our sins. Is this the best way, the most Biblically accurate way to describe our justification?

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

And many other verses.

God is said to be all knowing, if he forget something, is He literally and absolutely all knowing?
 
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The God forgive Saul of Tarsus for persecuting the church?

It would seem so

Yet God has the record of Saw persecuting the church written in the word of God
 
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If I wanted to forget something I probably would not write a list down of things that I wanted to forget. if anything I would probably write down a list of things that I wanted to remember so as to crowd out the things I wanted to forget out of my mind
 
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Heb 8:12 KJV For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 10:16-17 KJV This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; (17) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Mic 7:19 KJV He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.

Psa 103:12 KJV As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
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Is it possible that you're over-thinking the issue? Maybe you should just believe what God says.
 
oatmeal

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No, not in the strictest sense of the two words.

No, it's a figure of speech. The Bible is FULL of them.
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That's right not remembering is not the same thing as forgetting.

It's some sense the effect might be the same,. But I would agree that the processes are not the same.

It would not surprise me if the word remember it's actually composed of the prefix re and the word member. Which I discovered is the etymology of it according to One source it means re as into do forcefully and member as to be mindful

whereas forget is to lose the power to call to mind

Does God forget our sins?

Does God lose the power to call to mind?

God's word as far as I can tell does not literally say that God forgets our sins but it does say that he will remember them no more he will not forcefully bring them to mind
 
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God certainly is just and having justified us does that mean the records of a legal procedure are destroyed are justification is written in the legal document of God's written word and as such is there for all to see

And in the case or I should say cases of men of God's shortcomings errors sins being recorded in God's word which God clearly forgave you obviously did not forget them cuz they are recorded

However God having justified is that remember them to hold these sins against them anymore
 
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oatmeal said:
That's right not remembering is not the same thing as forgetting.

It's some sense the effect might be the same,. But I would agree that the processes are not the same.

It would not surprise me if the word remember it's actually composed of the prefix re and the word member. Which I discovered is the etymology of it according to One source it means re as into do forcefully and member as to be mindful

whereas forget is to lose the power to call to mind

Does God forget our sins?

Does God lose the power to call to mind?

God's word as far as I can tell does not literally say that God forgets our sins but it does say that he will remember them no more he will not forcefully bring them to mind
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Again it appears that you're over-thinking it.

When the Bible says that God "will not remember sins", it's simply saying that He will not hold those sins against them/us.

Anytime that the Bible uses a human term or attribute with God, it's using a figure of speech and must understood as such.
 
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Again it appears that you're over-thinking it.

When the Bible says that God "will not remember sins", it's simply saying that He will not hold those sins against them/us.

Anytime that the Bible uses a human term or attribute with God, it's using a figure of speech and must understood as such.
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I am not going to judge myself as to whether I'm overthinking it or whether Christianity in general is underthinking it however as a student of the Bible I'm willing to investigate what I can in order to increase the depth of my knowledge of God. I would rather overthink it and pull back as a Workman of God's word then be lazy and underthink it
 
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oatmeal said:
I am not going to judge myself as to whether I'm overthinking it or whether Christianity in general is underthinking it however as a student of the Bible I'm willing to investigate what I can in order to increase the depth of my knowledge of God. I would rather overthink it and pull back as a Workman of God's word then be lazy and underthink it
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So you're still going to ignore the obvious?
 
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If one truly repents!

"And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more" (Jer. 31:34)
 
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Bradley D said:
If one truly repents!

"And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more" (Jer. 31:34)
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"Their" refers to Israel in that passage.

Read some of the CONTEXT:
Jer 31:1 KJV At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.

Jer 31:31-34 KJV Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: (32) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: (33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. (34) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
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oatmeal

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Bradley D said:
If one truly repents!

"And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more" (Jer. 31:34)
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Yes, that is very clear, and that is says "I will remember their sin no more" in my thinking and understanding is different than saying "I have forgotten their sins"
 
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oatmeal said:
Well, what is obvious to me is always obvious to others.
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What is obvious is that God is not a man. When the Bible uses "man language" when talking about God, it's a figure of speech as a means of expressing an idea. The idea that "God will not remember" is the idea that sins can be forgiven forever.
 
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What is obvious is that God is not a man. When the Bible uses "man language" when talking about God, it's a figure of speech as a means of expressing an idea. The idea that "God will not remember" is the idea that sins can be forgiven forever.
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Yes, it is absolutely clear that God is not a man, (which absolutely proves that Jesus is not God, for Jesus is a man, but that if for another thread)

You might want to inform Clete in my thread, "Does forgive and forget sins"
 
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