beloved57
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Huh ?
Does Calvinism Make God Unjust?
- Thread starter Robert Pate
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Huh ?
beloved57
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All conjecture !
There are no difference between God knowing you a billion years ago and God knowing you now, today. You try to give God a time limit when there isn't any
His plan always work out
Would you rather Pate lie? Would that suit you better?
His "Plan" was NEVER based on predestination.
Those verses of Scripture pertained to the House of Israel only and not to the Gentiles. We must "Rightly Divide" the word of God.
Good post.
theophilus
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So are you saying that everything that Jesus said is only for Israel?
Read the Bible much?
Isiah 5:5 Now let me sing to my Well-beloved
A song of my Beloved regarding His vineyard:
My Well-beloved has a vineyard
On a very fruitful hill.
2 He dug it up and cleared out its stones,
And planted it with the choicest vine.
He built a tower in its midst,
And also made a winepress in it;
So He expected it to bring forth good grapes,
But it brought forth wild grapes.
3 “And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem and men of Judah,
Judge, please, between Me and My vineyard.
4 What more could have been done to My vineyard
That I have not done in it?
Why then, when I expected it to bring forth good grapes,
Did it bring forth wild grapes?
5 And now, please let Me tell you what I will do to My vineyard:
I will take away its hedge, and it shall be burned;
And break down its wall, and it shall be trampled down.
6 I will lay it waste;
It shall not be pruned or dug,
But there shall come up briers and thorns.
I will also command the clouds
That they rain no rain on it.”
7 For the vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the house of Israel,
And the men of Judah are His pleasant plant.
He looked for justice, but behold, oppression;
For righteousness, but behold, a cry for help.
A song of my Beloved regarding His vineyard:
My Well-beloved has a vineyard
On a very fruitful hill.
2 He dug it up and cleared out its stones,
And planted it with the choicest vine.
He built a tower in its midst,
And also made a winepress in it;
So He expected it to bring forth good grapes,
But it brought forth wild grapes.
3 “And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem and men of Judah,
Judge, please, between Me and My vineyard.
4 What more could have been done to My vineyard
That I have not done in it?
Why then, when I expected it to bring forth good grapes,
Did it bring forth wild grapes?
5 And now, please let Me tell you what I will do to My vineyard:
I will take away its hedge, and it shall be burned;
And break down its wall, and it shall be trampled down.
6 I will lay it waste;
It shall not be pruned or dug,
But there shall come up briers and thorns.
I will also command the clouds
That they rain no rain on it.”
7 For the vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the house of Israel,
And the men of Judah are His pleasant plant.
He looked for justice, but behold, oppression;
For righteousness, but behold, a cry for help.
Resting in Him,
Clete
Christ's ministry throughout Matthew and John was ONLY to the "Lost Sheep of the House of Israel." Matthew 15:24 "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Later, The Apostle Paul was sent to the Gentiles with the "Grace Gospel."
Christ and His Disciples ONLY preached "The Kingdom Message" to the House of Israel.
Semi-pelagian/pelagian arminians are delusional control freaks. They have bought the lie that they are the masters of their own fate, they are the captain of their own ship, they are sovereign over their own lives and that if someone is saved, it is because while unregenerate, they, as a conscious act of their will, do the righteous thing to decide to do good and choose God, thus, they are in control and their salvation is determined by and dependent on them as an act of their unregenerate will doing the righteous thing to choose God. And thus they reject the Divine Sovereign Free Will of God in Election to choose whom He will have mercy on before the foundation of the cosmos.
False Prophet
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This is Robert Pate's interpretation. It does not come from the Institutes.
theophilus
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Then why did He forgive and heal a Samaritan woman, a Roman Centurion's servant, a Canaanite and other Gentiles?
Re:
Matt. 15:22
Luke 7:1-10
Mark 5:1 (a Gentile country)
John 4 (a Samaritan city)
...and what about John 10:16?
It took a while for the early church to recognize that salvation was available to the Gentiles. The Jewish Christians who fled the persecution in Jerusalem went into the Gentile regions of Phoenicia, Cyprus and Antioch, but they were “spreading the word only among Jews” (Acts 11:19). Peter was hesitant to bring the gospel to a Gentile household, but God made it plain that Cornelius was also one of the elect (Acts 10).
“Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too” (Romans 3:29). Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, but He had come to offer salvation to everybody. The Messiah was to be a “light for the Gentiles” (Isaiah 42:6).
It would appear that you or the scripture is mistaken.
:idunno:
Indeed He did "Physically heal" a few Gentiles, however, His ministry was to preach the "Kingdom Message" to the House of Israel. After Christ died and ascended to sit at the right hand of the Father, His Disciples continued to preach The Kingdom Message to the "Circumcised." (House of Israel) Until Paul was called to be The Apostle to the "Uncircumcised" (The Gentiles) there was NO Grace Gospel being preached.
It's important to recognize that, during that time in history, there were two separate "Messages" being preached: The Kingdom Message to the House of Israel and The Grace Message to the Gentiles. We MUST have the ability to "Rightly Divide" the word of God, lest, confusion and supposed contradiction enter the picture.
Today, the only Gospel available to both Jew and Gentile alike is The Grace Gospel.
You have to understand that not everybody abides by YOUR teachings. I know that hurts your sensitive Calvinist mindset, however, you must face reality.